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BC is cancelling cruises, and ferries to Seattle (I think - I skimmed through 2 articles. One said they were reducing passenger limits to create space. The other said they were cancelling them - or maybe strongly recommending not taking ferry trips to Seattle.) I read yesterday - recommendations of limiting crowds to 1000, now I think it's 250. There's more I have to catch up on.

Oh, one person who was with the mainland patient travelling from Egypt is in self isolation on Vancouver Island Region (includes Gulf Islands). They won't say what town or city but Victoria's mayor made an address about it, in addion to a BC provincial minister, and somebody at a private (K-12, at least it used to be) in Victoria was showing symptoms and the school was closed for the time being.

Checked 2 TP aisles out of curiosity - nothing. Lysol, Other disinfectant sprays, gone. A few refill packs of VIM wipes still available in one store, but being snapped up. Bottles of good old bleach, ammonia, were still there. If you can stand the stuff (never mix the two though!), you can dilute it and use it the same way - and use it diluted with a cloth. I guess people feel more comfortable with premade and disposable.
 
Actually in terms of face touching I can say when in public I do little of that too, with the exception that I probably deal with way more nasal congestion than average, so I do blow my nose as needed, but that's not really mindless. I will also touch near my hairline a fair bit too, to keep the stray hairs out of my face but that is low risk for contracting an illness. If I get a hair in my mouth, my go to is a finger along the hairline first, not just going to my mouth.

I got into the habit of paying attention when I first started wearing makeup, and I maintained that.
At home is different, but I wash my hands well when I get in the house. With bloodwork (the stupid cotton they will use instead of a bandaid), i will wash hands as best as I can and then use hand sanitizer. I also clean my phone if I used it while out.
 
I'm always brushing my (side) bangs out of my face, which means I sometimes touch my eyelashes if not my eyelids. And my hair is longish and sometimes gets windblown across my mouth and I'm brushing away hair from my mouth (sounds gross but I bet it happens to everyone with long hair sometimes, when it's not tied back.) I try not to rub my eyes if they are irritated or tearing (but I have); or I take a clean edge of the inside of my sleeve or jacket (that has not touched anything dirty/ "outside" germs) and rub lightly, or use a tissue (or napkin) if I have one. But sometimes it's just subconscious and I think, "Doh! Oops." Or, sometimes the end of my nose gets a tickle and I can't not scratch it! If I have a tissue, or can use the inside of my sleeve, or inside corner a jacket or sweater, I do.
 
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I have just read the last two pages here. I might go back and read from the beginning. It is interesting (for lack of a better word) reading about the virus with a compromised immune system. I'm glad things are falling in to place and that measures are being taken to reduce the problems related to it. I've seen a couple of paranoid posts mostly on FB about government controlling people using these measures. I don't think that kind of thinking is useful. I'm glad for the restrictions even if they seem like overkill. I hope I won't need the services of our local hospital. Some of the steps they are taking to flatten the curve help reduce the chances health facilities are totally overwhelmed.
 
I have just read the last two pages here. I might go back and read from the beginning. It is interesting (for lack of a better word) reading about the virus with a compromised immune system. I'm glad things are falling in to place and that measures are being taken to reduce the problems related to it. I've seen a couple of paranoid posts mostly on FB about government controlling people using these measures. I don't think that kind of thinking is useful. I'm glad for the restrictions even if they seem like overkill. I hope I won't need the services of our local hospital. Some of the steps they are taking to flatten the curve help reduce the chances health facilities are totally overwhelmed.
Believe it or not, I do understand how you feel. You absolutely want to limit the chances of coming into contact with it (or any virus)!

I still think there's something not right going on, but it's neither here nor there, because taking precautions not to spread it is common sense...and I wasn't planning on going to any nursing care facilities, big events, or travelling (well, Vancouver later this spring is on hold). I hope to not even have to go see my doctor to get prescriptions refilled (one of them usually needs to be revisited every few months before refilling). Otherwise, church services might be cancelled. They haven't announced it but it wouldn't surprise me...it's a smallish young congregation but there are seniors having their service in the main sanctuary, using the same bathrooms and kitchen in the building.

Otherwise I'm just going to keep on keeping on and hope for the best, and that this fizzles out like SARS did.
 
I still think there's something not right going on, but it's neither here nor there, because taking precautions not to spread it is common sense..

I totally understand. Under normal circumstances I might feel the same. I had pneumonia in June and a lung reaction to the chemo drug at the same time. That makes me think my lungs are vulnerable. I do have a doctor's appointment next week so can ask. I'm not panicking yet even though it's scary.
 
It is interesting (for lack of a better word) reading about the virus with a compromised immune system. I'm glad things are falling in to place and that measures are being taken to reduce the problems related to it.
I've been thinking about your situation, Northwind.........

My brother has lost half a lung to cancer, has had bowel cancer, and has an artificial mitral valve.
I think there should be more emphasis on protecting the most vulnerable -and the best way to do that is ringing them up etc and not visiting unless they are desperate for company - and then only when you have no signs of illness -and perhaps you both should wash your hands frequently and wear a mask?
It's good to see folks are finally avoiding large crowds.....
 
I got my blood products today. Will be having a discussion for certain about reordering, getting down as low as I do isn't a good idea in general, and especially not now.
 
Thanks @PilgrimsProgress. I've been washing my hands frequently and am being mindful of my surroundings. I'm thankful I'm not on chemo. My immune system would be in worse shape if that were the case. Wearing a mask is not helpful other than helping you keep your hands off your face.
 
Maybe some good will come out of this long-term. If people get into better habits about things like hand-washing, when we're not in a pandemic there would be less colds and flus (cases & number of viruses, not the number of strains total, I expect that to stay fairly constant) so those who are more at least might actually get infection-sick a little less.
 
I'm also hoping this makes the powers that be rethink the wisdom of cutting health services to bare bones.
At least Kenney doesn't seem to be interfering with current decisions by those who know what they are talking about, but yes, we're not as off to a strong start as we could be due to his past decisions.
 
Or we could be politically oriented lean one way ... and take a chance on what we don't know. There are those that we argue they have all they need to know in their book ...

Admit it due to brute leadership ... what's our chances? Open hearts and minds are frowned upon piously!
 
My nephew who is a surgeon said last night that shortly all elective surgeries will be cancelled In order to free up icu beds and to allow the use of ventilation equipment from the ORs in patient care. He sounded Concerned
 
Welp, my wife now has to learn how to deliver a course online. Western is closing down until Tuesday to gear up and then when classes resume, it will all be virtual.
 
Pandemic ....

When people travel, they bring all sorts of luggage, including pathogens.

Thus was the great era of exploration also the dismal era of genocide.

Explorers to the New World brought a panoply of diseases like smallpox and measles new to the indigenous communities.

The colonial invaders subjected the Americas to war and slavery.

But it was those diseases that were largely responsible for a catastrophic reduction in populations up and down the Americas.

As many as 56 million people, or 10 % of the world population at the time, died by the beginning of the 1600s.

The mortality rate for the indigenous communities was an astonishing 90 %.

In exchange, the explorers returned to their native countries with syphilis, a horrible disease, but it didn’t radically depopulate Europe.

Pandemics are closely associated with the movement of traders and soldiers.

Roman soldiers returning from Mesopotamia were responsible for plague that ravaged the empire in the second century AD.

Just one of several pandemics that helped end Rome’s global dominance.

The bubonic plague of the fourteenth century began in China and reached Europe via merchant ships carrying flea-infested rats.

In the modern era, soldiers returning home from fighting in World War I spread the Spanish flu, killing up to 50 million people.

That pandemic was one of the factors behind the collapse of the first wave of modern globalization.

Prior to outbreak of World War I 1914, the world had never been more tightly connected with steamships, trains, and telegraph.

Trade as a proportion of GDP stood at 14% on the eve of the first war.

The devastation of World War I followed by flu epidemic dealt a heavy blow to world trade and economic integration.

Global economic depression 1920s, the rise of nationalism, and second world war ensured by 1945 that trade GDP dropped to 5 %.

Modern globalization is made possible by modern medicine.

A couple of pandemics have broken out since 1945, but they haven’t disrupted the global circulatory system.

In the ancient Akkadian language, the word for epidemic disease meant 'certain death'.

Only recently have medical professionals been able to handle outbreaks of disease on such a scale.

Thanks to a second wave of globalization, trade would rise again to the levels it registered in 1914 by the late 1980s.

With the collapse of the Soviet bloc, a third wave of globalization removed more barriers to the movement of goods and money.

Even China, a nominally Communist country, joined the World Trade Organization at the end of 2001.

China's own version of globalization - the Belt and Road initiative - placed China at center of a network of trade and finance.

"The coronavirus, by itself, will not put an end to this most recent wave of globalization.

Like the flu pandemic of 1918, it could contribute to a trend of greater fragmentation.

Or, by serving as a reminder of how the health of humanity has been mutually dependent across borders for millennia.

The latest outbreak could prompt a rethinking of how the world works together.

Things Fall Apart?

China will prove pivotal in determining which direction the world heads.

At the moment, economic pundits in the West are exhibiting a degree of schadenfreude at Beijing’s difficulties.

The new coronavirus - will end up being the final curtain on China’s nearly 30 year role as the world’s leading manufacturer?

The global assembly line was already shifting away from Chinese sources as a result of Trump’s tariffs.

The pandemic only reinforces this trend.

China could still come out a winner in all of this.

It could invest its surplus capital into an even greater push toward higher value-added production, particularly in the digital sphere.

This shift could facilitate a major reduction in the country’s carbon footprint as well.

Much depends on the U.S.-China relationship.

Long before the coronavirus crisis, the U.S. policy elite had already moved away from supporting engagement with China.

China was already prepared for disengagement.

It had laid the groundwork for an alternative globalization, financed by the country’s considerable trade surpluses.

Many countries in China’s vicinity opted to participate in the Belt and Road Initiative.

They receive financing from the Asian Infrastructure Investment Bank.

China and the US are heading in different directions.

Global solutions to what are increasingly global problems such as climate change and pandemics will be difficult.

Because of the corona virus, China has rediscovered how dependent it is on the rest of the world.

We buy Chinese products, to supply Chinese consumers, to provide raw materials for Chinese business, to service Chinese tourists.

China’s projected growth rate for 2020 has been revised down from 6 percent to 5 percent, but it might drop even further.

The Chinese economy is fragile with overcapacity in manufacturing sectors, real-estate bubbles, high rates of debt, and growing inequality.

With the Belt and Road Initiative, Beijing was hoping it could grow its way out of these problems.

That strategy depends on a number of unknown variables, which in the short term include the persistence of the pandemic.

And the results of the upcoming presidential election in the United States.

The corona virus is a wake-up call for both Beijing and Washington.

The new status quo of a revived Cold War between the two hegemons is unworkable.

Globalization has been challenged before by financial crises, pandemics like the Hong Kong Flu, even the specter of Y2K.

This time around ...

Failure of the global community to establish new rules of the road is creating a perfect storm of international dysfunction.

If something with a relatively low mortality rate like the corona virus can do such a number on the global economy ...

Perhaps the patient was already suffering from some pretty dire underlying conditions.

 
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