Novel Coronavirus

[Waterfall]

Has Canada preordered more vaccines for fall or spring for boosters if needed? And will there be expiration dates for the vaccine on our vaccine cards? After all they say most vaccines are good for only 6 to eight months and the efficacy rate is cut in half much earlier than that. So if one was fully vaccinated in June or July youre good only until November or January and Covid may still be going strong throughout the winter.
And will people with "waning" vaccines be considered fully vaccinated as time goes on?
Do we know yet how long the "booster" lasts?

 

[Luce NDs]

Has Canada preordered more vaccines for fall or spring for boosters if needed? And will there be expiration dates for the vaccine on our vaccine cards? After all they say most vaccines are good for only 6 to eight months and the efficacy rate is cut in half much earlier than that. So if one was fully vaccinated in June or July youre good only until November or January and Covid may still be going strong throughout the winter.
And will people with "waning" vaccines be considered fully vaccinated as time goes on?
Do we know yet how long the "booster" lasts?

With all the previous errs ... why so much pickiness as we cannot undo the fossilized stuff ... to set in their whey ... milked for all ... and much che'z is layered ...

 

[KayTheCurler]

If those making decisions care about having people live, i suspect there will be a shift to online schooling soon. Some schools have already done that.

I think it should stay in place, with allowing exceptions for certain special needs programs until either we get the majority of 5+ kids vaccinated (even 1 dose in kids would likely make a pretty big impact as they don't have elderly immune systems) or the hospitals are able to deal with the number of covid patients easily.

'Worrying' rise in new COVID-19 cases among children under 10: B.C. data analyst

The demographic makeup of COVID-19 cases in B.C. has shifted dramatically in recent weeks, with children under 10 years old now making up the biggest share of confirmed new infections in the province.

bc.ctvnews.ca

I heard yesterday (maybe White Coat, Black Art), that kids actually have a better immune system than adults. Apparently one's immune system starts to weaken at adolescence.

 

[ChemGal]

If one goes to a Covid party, one cannot say one didn’t know the intent. If the person gets infected and doesn’t isolate, there is already a fine for that.

Speeders have fines too, but if someone is speeding and kills someone or seriously hatms them there are more severe consequences.

 

[Luce NDs]

Speeders have fines too, but if someone is speeding and kills someone or seriously hatms them there are more severe consequences.

Some believe not if you drive fast and escape the justice system ... know any of the fast crowd that does this in high places ...

 

[ChemGal]

Election in Germany today. Even people refusing to wear a mask have to be accommodated to be able to vote, by closing the place for the public, so that the person is on their own, disinfecting and airing out the place before letting people back in. There is the option to refuse the voting if that is technically not possible. Masks are available. Some places also have “ mobile urns” to carry them outside for an unmasked person to vote.
Not sure what I think of that. After all, people could have voted by mail, the rules were known. This seems to give too much accommodation to right wing antivaxxers.

I think the outside option is reasonable. Things can come up where one thought they could reasonably wear a mask but on they day it's a problem. A medical flareup as an example.

 

[Mrs.Anteater]

Speeders have fines too, but if someone is speeding and kills someone or seriously hatms them there are more severe consequences.

Don’t get the logic of this. If you go to a covid party and get covid, who are you to blame?

 

[ChemGal]

Don’t get the logic of this. If you go to a covid party and get covid, who are you to blame?

What about the coworkers, the spouses who were against the party, people sitting at a pharmacy to pick up medications, etc. who end up getting COVID from party goers. How are they at fault that someone went to a COVID party if they end up sick?

I am certainly not going to a COVID party, but I know people who also go to phototherapy who are not following the laws. At the hospital people not wearing masks, etc.

I think those waiting for surgeries should be able to file a class action suit against all of those at things like COVID parties.

 

[BetteTheRed]

At the hospital people not wearing masks, etc.

You certainly live in a different world than I do, chemgal. The staff at the Royal Victoria Hospital in Barrie are very observant, very strict, and EXTREMELY bossy.

 

[ChemGal]

You certainly live in a different world than I do, chemgal. The staff at the Royal Victoria Hospital in Barrie are very observant, very strict, and EXTREMELY bossy.

I find a lot of areas in the hospital there is no staff. They are at the entrance and exit, and at the clinics. Even for the labwork, the waiting room is huge and they staff are only at the cubicles, they are not monitoring people in the waiting area.

I take the stairs to avoid being stuck in an elevator with others, I would say it's about 50% if I cross someone there not wearing mask/has it pulled down. Waiting in line for screening, in the waiting area, in the hallways, inside paying for parking are all places that people seem to do what they want.

Also, emergency rooms make people take off masks at screening, and people wearing reusable ones often remove it at screening too.

 

[BetteTheRed]

I find a lot of areas in the hospital there is no staff. They are at the entrance and exit, and at the clinics. Even for the labwork, the waiting room is huge and they staff are only at the cubicles, they are not monitoring people in the waiting area.

I take the stairs to avoid being stuck in an elevator with others, I would say it's about 50% if I cross someone there not wearing mask/has it pulled down. Waiting in line for screening, in the waiting area, in the hallways, inside paying for parking are all places that people seem to do what they want.

Also, emergency rooms make people take off masks at screening, and people wearing reusable ones often remove it at screening too.

I can tell you right now that our Health Unit, which is pretty well obeyed, would be having kittens at all that you describe. Totally the wild west. Ontario may trend conservative, but also really obedient...

 

[ChemGal]

I can tell you right now that our Health Unit, which is pretty well obeyed, would be having kittens at all that you describe. Totally the wild west. Ontario may trend conservative, but also really obedient...

The study at Christmas showed that AB was following the rules the best though.
Are you telling me that in ON hospital stairwells everyone is wearing masks properly? Here the majority are, but pretty much every hospital trip there's one person I come across who isn't, it's not like 1 person in each of these areas (although screening, if there is a line is a separate thing). Northwind shared similar things going on with the screening in BC. If people say you must wear a new disposable mask (medical or not), those who are not generally don't double mask with what they have already, and sometimes it's required to be removed. What's ON's policy?

 

[BetteTheRed]

Here in Ontario, Health Units probably have more clout than Provincial directives. The one that I live in is very strict. RVH is unique in that it only really has two entrances, although there's tons of doors (and it's a good sized hospital). You can go in the Emerg door, or the main door, and all the arrows on the floors will always exit you through a couple of main exits. It's actually hard to find an out of the way exit or entrance, and bar a few, that the employees know, they're generally alarmed. So, maybe AB has the average best, but I'm pretty sure our health unit is right up there in fussiness.

 

[BetteTheRed]

Here's an interesting question: I think that "medical exemption from vaccination" - i.e. an allergy to ingredients or such an immune compromised system that vaccination is not recommended - and a "medical exemption from masking" - severe PTSD due to a confining sort of trauma and/or such severe trauma to face that a mask could not be tolerated, would not very often overlap? So, if you can't do one, you can generally do the other?

 

[Northwind]

Northwind shared similar things going on with the screening in BC. If people say you must wear a new disposable mask (medical or not), those who are not generally don't double mask with what they have already, and sometimes it's required to be removed.

I don't understand what you're saying I shared

 

[ChemGal]

I don't understand what you're saying I shared

The need to remove a mask at times upon entering a hospital and/or people just taking off what they have on instead of double masking if the one being provided is required.

 

[ChemGal]

Here in Ontario, Health Units probably have more clout than Provincial directives. The one that I live in is very strict. RVH is unique in that it only really has two entrances, although there's tons of doors (and it's a good sized hospital). You can go in the Emerg door, or the main door, and all the arrows on the floors will always exit you through a couple of main exits. It's actually hard to find an out of the way exit or entrance, and bar a few, that the employees know, they're generally alarmed. So, maybe AB has the average best, but I'm pretty sure our health unit is right up there in fussiness.

The hospital entrances are limited too. Normally it's possible to go from parkade to clinic area via 2 different floors but it's blocked off to just 1. That doesn't stop people from taking a mask off once inside. With stairs for example, in the outpatient building between clinic floors they are a bit hidden, I don't think many patients could even tell you where they are, it's almost a corner within a corner whereas the elevator area is open with something like 6 or 8 of them. So I think in that case a lot of times it's staff/students taking off their masks going from one floor to another. On occasion someone has a drink in their hand too, so it's allowed but not a great place when someone else is there (although I would say elevators are worse). The parkade stairs are much more obvious - no supervision there as it's external to the screening area, ditto for paying for parking.

As for the health unit meaning good compliance do you mean just within hospital or in general? Because I'm sure my zone is better than the average for the province too. Vaccination rates certainly agree with that.

 

[ChemGal]

Here's an interesting question: I think that "medical exemption from vaccination" - i.e. an allergy to ingredients or such an immune compromised system that vaccination is not recommended - and a "medical exemption from masking" - severe PTSD due to a confining sort of trauma and/or such severe trauma to face that a mask could not be tolerated, would not very often overlap? So, if you can't do one, you can generally do the other?

Yes, although in healthcare settings one is more likely to come across both. Ie. Someone unable to put on/off their mask themselves and developed a PEG allergy after needing various drugs that contained it plus having conditions that makes them more prone to developing allergies in the first place.
Even then, would not be common.

 

[Northwind]

The need to remove a mask at times upon entering a hospital and/or people just taking off what they have on instead of double masking if the one being provided is required.

Double masking wasn't an option. When I had to change my mask I had to discard the brand new one I had just put on. The hospital here lets you come in with your own medical grade mask.

 

[Luce NDs]

Ridiculous situation ... a story from a church (radical) that I have some familiarity with.

It is a church that demands meeting in the most critical times when it seems advisable not to meet ... they continue to do so. Information was passed that they sent a delegation to another church ... so if an outbreak occurred they could blame it on the alter ...

Maybe God was the cause as emotions get radical?

I don't know this to be true but there is circumferential evidence travelling orally ... by mouth!

Socially responsible???? Depends on what you are claiming to be responsible for ... the self or the alter self ...

Difficult to tell when the emotional self blends into the surrounding intelligent self as a blur ... still appears as a wheel of blur ... like the knight's guise ... abstract! That'd be when the shades are drawn ... and the radically hard to deal with say ... they are stone dead to fresh learning!

Does make for a grand myth for those in the Fa' realms ... sometimes taken as far 'alms as Adonus ... a given rite as the rich and powerful take off with whatever they can BS their whey through ... ceruse tuff!

So it passes ... as whatever you might label the mysterious brute forte ... and then the part that lies there silent on the medium ... and folk declare there is no medium due to radical divisions ... by visions?

Leaves me beside myself ... dancing with the cast form as a dark blurb! What can one declare as virtue when in a pool of lies and Leons ... ons indication all that come first ... and #2 ... is just democratic crap! At least to some brute fortes ... and the castle is struck ... with foundational constructs and dungeons ... that are dampened ... like energy entering a dark pool ... enlightening?

Thus wide end receivers as is ... hummers? Well at least resonant as lo' as it goes ... 4 degrees in one theory ... Theo Sophy? Radically unobserved as yet ... a mob can't see it a massive blindness sets in because of spreading shadiness ... until the lights go out in GEO Gaia ... ecliptics? Perhaps just cool eccentrics ... reaching out beyond what goes round! Gam OZ extends as mistakes pile up ... boners said in another thread to amount to constructs or erections ... like ET! That's up there ... and some believe that hell is a downer.

Einstein said that in abstract space one could not tell up from down ... or right from left or even back from front ... so an individual should walk it around to see all sides ... of the dark humus! It stinks and it is fertile ... thus struts ... and tresses ...