Luke 6: A Verse (or Two) at a Time

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Could it be because of the monstrous levity (Chimera) in a very dark background loaded with iron fists, iron curtains and other difficult walls set up to avoid learning of levitating myths? Some say the monster Leviathan has a different purpose than what is imposed on us ... by vain straw folk that are not how they present themselves ... as imposing power?

Should they be more humble, subtle and seduced from what they believe they are? A world from a hypo leader that they fear because of the watery support systematics of Eve Angels dropping out as folly ... incarnation as raven beasts?

Question is between the raven desires and deficient psyche and which is more insane ... without scales of the balance! Here the capitalists drag their thumb ...

So it is laid out as a learning phase during our timely visitation for the clear learning ... a' Paine? Claire, transparent woman in the proximity that you cannot observe well if presented as bare evidence ... precious AH? Put them together and further bother extends ... some use this quality very coquettishly ... and thus you don't see what chi-Z doing toyah!
 
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Mendalla said:
I don't really know. Clearly, he is not compelling enough for me to identify as a follower but I remain interested in a strong way. There has to be more than ethical teachings given that his teaching in that area is hardly unique to him on a global scope. Perhaps on a subconscious level, the healing and miracles do hold an appeal for me.
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Its hard to pinpoint, isn't it?

I am aware that both my emotional and nostalgic response to faith beckon me.

Jesus also appeals to me as a Jewish mystic who lives with a very present sense of God. I like the parables with their elusive lessons as well.
 
The hope of an Afterlife which offers reconciliation with God definitely appeals to me. I don't even think we can define this but we can live with faith and hope, no?
 
Also human beings are Important to Creation, not an epiphenomenon

Makes me wonder at the reasons for the supposed rises in mental illness and alienation in some countries...
 
paradox3 said:
The hope of an Afterlife which offers reconciliation with God definitely appeals to me. I don't even think we can define this but we can live with faith and hope, no?
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Well you can hope that is for sure ---but scripture says otherwise Folks ---and sugarcoating scripture to appease people is bad for the Soul ------Salvation is for the here and now ----

If you reject the Son here and now then you reject the Father and the Holy spirit---as the 3 are One and you have no recourse

Read all I just posted this part

Will there be a second chance for salvation after death?​

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Will there be a second chance for salvation after death? | GotQuestions.org

Will there be a second chance for salvation after death? Will we be given an opportunity to receive Christ as Savior after death?
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While the idea of a second chance for salvation is appealing, the Bible is clear that death is the end of all chances. Hebrews 9:27 tells us that we die, and then face judgment. So, as long as a person is alive, he has a second, third, fourth, fifth, etc. chance to accept Christ and be saved (John 3:16; Romans 10:9-10; Acts 16:31). Once a person dies, there are no more chances. The idea of purgatory, a place where people go after death to pay for their sins, has no biblical basis, but is rather a tradition of the Roman Catholic Church.
 
It's a tradition in Judaism as well @unsafe although Judaism sees it more as a process of refinement. Not payment or punishment
 
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It's a tradition in Judaism as well @unsafe although Judaism sees it more as a process of refinement
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And what would this process entail to reach a Holy refinement status and where is the scripture in Judaism that says God would accept this refinement process over accepting His Son whom He sent to be the one to refine us ----by what He did on the cross
 
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And what would this process entail to reach a Holy refinement status and where is the scripture in Judaism that says God would accept this refinement process over accepting His Son whom He sent to be the one to refine us ----by what He did on the cross
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Sorry, I am not certain unsafe. I am thinking some of the commentary rather than the Tanakh itself.
 
Good morning everyone. Here is Luke 6: 20-21
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Bible Gateway passage: Luke 6:20-21 - New Revised Standard Version Updated Edition

Blessings and Woes - Then he looked up at his disciples and said: “Blessed are you who are poor, for yours is the kingdom of God. “Blessed are you who are hungry now, for you will be filled. “Blessed are you who weep now, for you will laugh.
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Jesus is standing among the people and he opens his sermon with a surprising statement. The marginalized in society are part of the Kingdom of God!

He doesn't specify who he means by the poor (v20). We think of the financially impoverished but Jesus might be using a broader definition.

Nor does Jesus tell us what he means by the kingdom of God. Does it exist in another dimension at the present time? Is it a utopian view of the future? Is it one of many ideas about the afterlife? Could God's kingdom encompass all these things?

Jesus offers reassurance to those who hunger and weep now. This suggests to me that if God's Kingdom means eternal life, it includes the present.

I don't think we see Jesus at his most apocalyptic in the Sermon on the Plain.
 
Another possibility is that verses 20 and 21 are completely unrelated even though they seem to flow.

There are several theories about the sermons on the Plain and the Mount (Matthew's Gospel).

They read like parallel narratives but there are many differences. Here are some of the theories:

One writer might have copied the other and summarized or expanded the text. There might have been a third source.

Or neither was a sermon at all. The gospel writers might have compiled the stories and sayings of Jesus which were circulating at the time.
 
Plainly there was something flawed ... there are even verse on such divine separations of half selves ...

“For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.” This verse reminds us that imperfection is universal among humanity. Every person has fallen short of God's perfect standard due to sin. It humbles us and highlights our need for God's grace and redemption.

Then one has to ask how this reflects on the shady side of realty ... to observe one may take a peek down the deep well ... profound depths?

Not for the superficial powers that are up there ... Attica's enigma? Romantic avarice runs deep ... like the wends that come and go as one member used to say a ruag condition ... bare rugs, or bare ugs ... transitioning of icons ... Semi tick blowout ...
 
The "now" suggests to me that those who are hungry and weeping in the present will be fed/comforted sometime in the future but it is not clear from this whether that is just their own individual future, a better future on Earth (the Kingdom of God), a post-Judgement Kingdom, an afterlife, or something else.
 
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The "now" suggests to me that those who are hungry and weeping in the present will be fed/comforted sometime in the future but it is not clear from this whether that is just their own individual future, a better future on Earth (the Kingdom of God), a post-Judgement Kingdom, an afterlife, or something else.
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Yes I agree it is ambiguous. I am not even certain that a better future on earth is identical to the kingdom of God although it might be.
 
I just found this unsent post. It is not relevant to this current discussion but. Is a reply to a recent part of the discussion.

I suspect Jesus was angry at the Pharisees for a while. From his parables he seemed to have spent considerable time observing his society, reflecting on how things were, what different groups of people did, and how what different kinds of people with power functioned. He probably considered how he could effectively challenge abuses of power. His actions on Sabbath days may have been deliberate attempts to provoke Pharisees so he could expose how their proclamations were inconsistent with the y intent of the laws. His proclamations of forgiveness.contributed to challenging the concept of God watching for us to break a law.

The parable of the Pharisee and the publican is one example of this. Parables critiquing the wealthy show how they were in his sights.
 
The kingdom of God may be a state of being.

The poor are dependent on obtaining food and shelter every day, intent on the present, and fully aware of what they need, in tune with life now. The wealthy can feel secure in what they have and what others may owe to them. They do not know they need God's grace as acutely as the poor do. Relationships are acutely important to the poor just to survive. Note this blessing has a different tense than the next two.
 
Blessed you who are hungry for you will be filled.
This might be about food and is an assurance they will be fed. It might be about the hunger he will fill with his words.

Blessed are you who weep... As long as we persevere, there almost always comes a time for laughter.
 
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