Luke 6: A Verse (or Two) at a Time

[Mystic]

paradox3: "How important are the disciples in the Christian narrative? Peter, James and John seem to be the closest to Jesus."

Yes, only the inner circle--Peter, James, and John--are privileged to witness the Transfiguration miracle, Jesus' raising of the synagogue leader's daughter from the dead, and Jesus' prayer agony in Gethsemane. But greater intimacy with Jesus does not mean greater spiritual maturity. James and John want to call down a lightning strike on the Samaritan villagers who drive them out of town (Luke 9:51-56). This vengeful desire earns them the witty nickname "the Thunder boys" (Aramaic "Boanerges") from Jesus. Then James and John draw the ire of the other 10 disciples by making this arrogant request of Jesus:

"Grant us to sit one at your right hand and other at your left in your glory... When the 10 heard this, they began to get angry with James and John
(Mark 10:35-41)."
Matthew (20:20-21) tries to shift blame for this embarrassing incident to the brothers' meddling Mom!

Jesus makes Peter "the rock in which I will build my church." But Peter rebukes Jesus when He announces His impending martyrdom and denies any relationship with Him 3 times in the high priest's courtyard. So the inner circle is far from a model of discipleship.

 

[Luce NDs]

I remember a Sunday School song which began:

There was Simon called Peter,
And Andrew his brother,
James and John,
Now you name another.

That's all I have inyemory bank and I haven't been able to trace the song.

Your memory bank has a hole inuit! Maybe a bucket case for carrying that fluid process ...

 

[paradox3]

Hey everybody! Here is Luke 6: 14-16

Bible Gateway passage: Luke 6:12-13 - New Revised Standard Version Updated Edition

Jesus Chooses the Twelve Apostles - Now during those days he went out to the mountain to pray, and he spent the night in prayer to God. And when day came, he called his disciples and chose twelve of them, whom he also named apostles:

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Jesus has his team in place now and Luke provides the complete list. Similar (not quite identical) lists can be found in Matthew, Mark and Acts.

In all cases there are twelve male disciples. John mentions some of them in his gospel narrative but he doesn't spell out the group in detail.

Is it a coincidence that there are twelve tribes of Israel in the OT and twelve disciples in the NT?

Do you feel an affinity with any of the disciples in particular?

 

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How important are the disciples in the Christian narrative

Very important in my view ---

Without the hand picked Disciples from Jesus there would be no Church and there would be no Discipleship to pass on to spread the Good News to unbelievers ---also there would have been no crucifixion or resurrection and therefore we would have all been doomed to hell -and God's plan which is still in place would never come to its right end -----both times Jesus was betrayed it was from His inner circle of His Disciples ------so they played a very important roll to bring God's plan into action ----

 

[paradox3]

Very important in my view ---

Without the hand picked Disciples from Jesus there would be no Church and there would be no Discipleship to pass on to spread the Good News to unbelievers ---also there would have been no crucifixion or resurrection and therefore we would have all been doomed to hell -and God's plan which is still in place would never come to its right end -----both times Jesus was betrayed it was from His inner circle of His Disciples ------so they played a very important roll to bring God's plan into action ----

I was actually thinking of their role during the life and ministry of Jesus. But you are correct, they played a significant part in the formation and growth of the early church.

Do we think Jesus chose wisely?

 

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Do we think Jesus chose wisely?

God never makes a Mistake -----

 

[Luce NDs]

Then ther eis that one that declared: Call me Ismael! Isn't that grand as a firestorm in an arid place?

Thus grandstanding starts as the flames become known abut the maels in the myth ... which may have been a fey thought a 4 is rael causing chaos and disorder ... until getting out of the heat ...

Yet what was that oeille used for ... but to keep the hom fires burning ... hob watchers, fire tender! Keep the flames on the (h)earth ... and there the arch rivalry ignites ... often spontaneously . If one backs off to objectively observe ... that is a dealy homeopathy to sme members ... they just will nt have it as it is inclusive of body, sol and spirit ... jaerd or placed in a bucket ... in disseminating jaerd ... par attention to an erd ... as a confined power!

May resemble a que ways Eire ... doing a shumai ... thus exposed as shu 'n ... in a complexity that many would render ultimately simple ... and there it was ... excess dipole as deux machina. That's a strange word for diabolical wrk of unraveling ribbons and trope ... its an occupation some avoid as too involved ...

If one gnaws over these words to extract means, etc. Nah ... that is undesirable cause words are a bore ... like an old sow flipped ... apparently now a Selkie at the point of broach ... in the great picture all can be rendered ... thus it goes down! Sometimes it hits you before the night becomes prior and you're off the edge ... imagine abstract priorities ... imaginary or just fantasy? Luther spoke of these ... lucid? The vast field of word is like that ... the devil to illiterates ...

The gam 's began some time ago ...

 

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God never makes a Mistake -----

Thus we are soon out of hear because of human cracks ... there a light glows in obscurity with occult groups! With a lisp its became ISH ... milling about ... mulled!

Something to chew about ...

 

[paradox3]

Throughout the course of his ministry, Jesus often gets frustrated with the Twelve. He is eventually denied by Peter three times and betrayed by Judas.

But the disciples still serve God well. Isn't this a wonderful thought?

 

[Luce NDs]

Throughout the course of his ministry, Jesus often gets frustrated with the Twelve. He is eventually denied by Peter three times and betrayed by Judas.

But the disciples still serve God well. Isn't this a wonderful thought?

Can one be sure when it is said that human is flawed and the ultimate is unfathomable mystery ... if dispersed they carry a small force ... as piercing the dark! Others will declare; "don't g there!" The rest is high's Torah ... n matters we don't know but lie about in weight ... shed it as that author did when putting it in the Shack as Uncle Tombs ... a veritable shrine ... over board take on a NU perspective ... what's Anu? Some say ANU'm Carrah ... it too goes on!

 

[paradox3]

When I was a child I really liked the four fishermen and all the fishing stories in the bible. There were fishermen in my extended family so that could have been a factor. It was a different type of fishing, of course, but I probably was unaware of this at the time.

Thomas appeals to me as well with his questioning.

Then there are the two hotheads who are rebuked by Jesus for wanting to blow up the Samaritan village. I think they are two of the fisherman but I need to check. This just seems so human, doesn't it?

 

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Is it a coincidence that there are twelve tribes of Israel in the OT and twelve disciples in the NT?

I say it is not a coincidence -----it symbolizes governmental perfection ---Divine Order ----as well as God's power and authority if you look the number up in Hebrew ----

Jacob had 12 sons ----who became the 12 tribes of Israel -----and the 12 tribes play a great role in the coming 7 year tribulation -----

Interesting read here in Revelation 21----12 is used 3 times in verse 12 and 2 times in verse 14----describing the New Jerusalem

Revelation 21:10-14 ERV
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10 The angel carried me away by the Spirit to a very large and high mountain. The angel showed me the holy city, Jerusalem. The city was coming down out of heaven from God.

11 The city was shining with the glory of God. It was shining bright like a very expensive jewel, like a jasper. It was clear as crystal.

12 The city had a large, high wall with twelve gates. There were twelve angels at the gates. On each gate was written the name of one of the twelve tribes of Israel.

13 There were three gates on the east, three gates on the north, three gates on the south, and three gates on the west.

14 The walls of the city were built on twelve foundation stones. On the stones were written the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.

 

[Mystic]

Is it a coincidence that there are twelve tribes of Israel in the OT and twelve disciples in the NT?

Sc0holars agree that Jesus selects 12 disciples as symbols of the 12 tribes of Israel. This symbolism is part of this larger typology. Jesus' followers viewed Him as "the King of Israel (John 1:49; 12:13)," that is, the King of True Israel or spiritual Israel. Thus, Jesus acclaims His new follower, Nathanael as "a true Israelite" (1:47) as opposed to false or unspiritual Israelites. This concept of True Israel prompts Jesus' brother James to send greetings to his Gentile readers as "the 12 tribes in the Dispersion (James 1:1)" and Paul refers to the Church as "the [true] Israel of God (Gal. 6:16)."
Jesus sends the 12 out on missions to the Jews, but sends out 70 disciples (Luke 10:1) on missions to Gentile territory like the Decapolis region. Why 70? Because of the popular belief that there were 70 nations. So this is analogous symbolism to "the 12."

Do you feel an affinity with any of the disciples in particular?

Doubting Thomas.

 

[Luce NDs]

The best kind of teacher, healer; is one that doesn't seize on a point but alas ... goes on to find more questions about what Caesar believed to be the end ... hymn in a sad song that came across in a pall 've Rome ... nebulous ... with nuance ... subtle shades of difference ??? Kelly Green ... bowel 'n ... Ani ... is that ewe? Some labelled her Mollis ... Mollae ... without the shell ... cracked ... it is a mystery that flaw ...

 

[paradox3]

Hey everybody. Here is Luke 5: 17-19

Bible Gateway passage: Luke 6:17-19 - New Revised Standard Version Updated Edition

Jesus Teaches and Heals - He came down with them and stood on a level place with a great crowd of his disciples and a great multitude of people from all Judea, Jerusalem, and the coast of Tyre and Sidon. They had come to hear him and to be healed of their diseases, and those who were troubled...

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Jesus has come down from the mountain with the newly selected group of Twelve. Other followers are present, too.

Some of them will have climbed the mountain yesterday and not been chosen by Jesus for his inner circle. Are they feeling relieved or disappointed this morning, I wonder?

Multitudes have also come from the surrounding area. Have they been drawn to Jesus primarily for his teachings or his healing ministry? Or could it be both?

Why do they clamor to touch Jesus? It doesn't seem to be necessary for them to receive healing. Will they all stay to hear the Sermon on the Plain?

We will arrive at the text of the Sermon tomorrow.

 

[Luce NDs]

There's potentially a story behind that myth that will upset some stoic ... thus rolled stones ... Mani off track get caught in the wrinkles ... what's a Mani ... mores to be researched! Gama 's not finished yet ...

 

[paradox3]

We could ask ourselves what draws us to Jesus primarily.

Is it the miraculous healings and other supernatural events? Are you convinced the NT narrative fulfils OT prophecy?

For me it is His ethical teachings.

 

[Delightful Life]

We could ask ourselves what draws us to Jesus primarily.

Is it the miraculous healings and other supernatural events? Are you convinced the NT narrative fulfils OT prophecy?

For me it is His ethical teachings.

There is so much

One of the most humbling is here is the Creator of existence...

And chooses to incarnate as a Servant
And calls us, queen to working class, to be Servants as well...

Also, I had no choice. To shut him up I converted

Oh, and his beard. Very tickly

And his comedy routines

 

[Mendalla]

Have they been drawn to Jesus primarily for his teachings or his healing ministry?

Jesus is a very charismatic and compelling figure in many ways. I am not sure it is one or the other but both. His teaching/preaching and healing are both draws, as is just his charisma.

Why do they clamor to touch Jesus?

His reputation probably accounts for part of that but given his charisma, perhaps he "radiates" a sense of power or healing energy or something. Not necessarily literally (though I suppose could be if you believe in that sort of thing) but just as part of his overall personality.

 

[Mendalla]

We could ask ourselves what draws us to Jesus primarily.

Is it the miraculous healings and other supernatural events? Are you convinced the NT narrative fulfils OT prophecy?

For me it is His ethical teachings.

I don't really know. Clearly, he is not compelling enough for me to identify as a follower but I remain interested in a strong way. There has to be more than ethical teachings given that his teaching in that area is hardly unique to him on a global scope. Perhaps on a subconscious level, the healing and miracles do hold an appeal for me.