Loaves and Crumbs (Mark 7:24-30)

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Would there be parables, metaphors and the likes of satyrs in the bible given how many people don't believe in anything but ethereal manna of things?

Thus all common sense vanished ... said to have happened without due care! Thoughts are very delicate and can take off on a whim ...

A literary function of psyche? Many do not get it .... due to elimination! Sometimes called power of denial ... works for a while as a absolute ... then ... well you know! The super stitched and superficial fabric blew ...

Resembles a story that goes 'd along ...
 
Mendalla said:
Focusing on the demon rather than the mother's interaction with Jesus misses the point by a country mile.
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I suppose I was looking for a "Marken Sandwich" or interpolition. I will let you look that up rather than explain it.
 
The feeling one gets when squeezed between hard dimensions; emotions and intellect standing alone ... grinding like true grit or the miller's daughter!

If squeezed out you may become ooze ... once known as phlegm, or even a bad humor! Psyche etudes? A Caesar state "et tu?"

It was a brute expression ... after that Caesar was decommissioned and disseminated ... spread all through the pages of history!

In that autonomous item in history though is something black ... unseen virtue?
 
Waterfall said:
I dont know about these "demons", what were considered demons in those days? Someone with epilepsy, mental illness, tumors, etc...
In the case of epilepsy a tonic clonic episode eventually stops. The womans daughter is healed when she returns...but the account fails to mention who besides the woman witnesses this and if this healing lasted forever.
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Immaterial isn't it?

Both the woman and Jesus understood what was being communicated even if we have our doubts.

Jesus gave the woman the relief she sought for her daughter further indicating that they were on the same page understanding-wise. That would be the purest form of practical pastoral theology.

Efforts to identify what was "actually" going on are spectacular adventures in missing the point. Attempts to diminish or demystify the ailment are attempts to render God lesser. As if God couldn't really take on Demons but Christ can cure epilepsy from a distance without an actual diagnosis.
 
revjohn said:
Immaterial isn't it?

Both the woman and Jesus understood what was being communicated even if we have our doubts.

Jesus gave the woman the relief she sought for her daughter further indicating that they were on the same page understanding-wise. That would be the purest form of practical pastoral theology.

Efforts to identify what was "actually" going on are spectacular adventures in missing the point. Attempts to diminish or demystify the ailment are attempts to render God lesser. As if God couldn't really take on Demons but Christ can cure epilepsy from a distance without an actual diagnosis.
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Is immaterial like non-essence in the mind of those all consumed by emotions? Imagine if it cuts both ways in the swinging ... man axes or broad axes in the myth? Just doesn't cut it for those gone too far down the emotional tunnel! They can't back out ... literary seize like a block! Thus cupid got eM dead square ... there are various names for the fallout!
 
revjohn said:
Immaterial isn't it?

Both the woman and Jesus understood what was being communicated even if we have our doubts.

Jesus gave the woman the relief she sought for her daughter further indicating that they were on the same page understanding-wise. That would be the purest form of practical pastoral theology.

Efforts to identify what was "actually" going on are spectacular adventures in missing the point. Attempts to diminish or demystify the ailment are attempts to render God lesser. As if God couldn't really take on Demons but Christ can cure epilepsy from a distance without an actual diagnosis.
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And yet, I am reading this from the century I live in....I figure I can ask these questions even if the answers aren't to my liking.
But while you're here....would you mind explaining the "marken sandwiches" that occur only in Mark? I can't seem to find if this story we are discussing is considered as such.
 
Waterfall said:
And yet, I am reading this from the century I live in....I figure I can ask these questions even if the answers aren't to my liking.
But while you're here....would you mind explaining the "marken sandwiches" that occur only in Mark? I can't seem to find if this story we are discussing is considered as such.
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Eire breads ... somewhat cloudy and fluffy!
 
Waterfall said:
Also @revjohn it's why I was thinking the demon might have a role in showing what Jesus sees that we dont....the spiritual connection.
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In essence kind 've wispy!

Ponder it as a kind of ghost-like tempest ... perhaps all in our psyches and that was discarded and swamped ...

Hoo'd believe such things could be conjured up in abstract spaces ... vacuous?
 
Waterfall said:
And yet, I am reading this from the century I live in....I figure I can ask these questions even if the answers aren't to my liking.
But while you're here....would you mind explaining the "marken sandwiches" that occur only in Mark? I can't seem to find if this story we are discussing is considered as such.
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We are always asking questions.

The Bible cannot hear them.

The Bible bears witness.

Are we prepared to listen to it.

Markan sandwiches are a literary device in which a story (the bread) gets an apparently unrelated filling (readers preference of filling). The first Markan sandwich is fairly unremarkable.

Mark 3: 20-35 relates a series of events where Jesus' family, no doubt fearing for Jesus' personal safety attempt to intervene on Jesus' behalf against a mob comprised of well-wishers and antagonizers. Allegations are made putting Christ in league with Beelzebul (Satan). Christ shares the story of the divided Kingdom. Then the family arrives, the crowd points this out and Jesus then asks, "Who is my family?"

At first blush, no one link in this chain is remarkable or even, Biblically speaking, remarkable.

Once you take the individual bits and make a sandwich with them you have something more substantial. The sum is greater than the whole of the parts.

The consensus is that this particular BPotW does not belong to a Markan Sandwich. Probably because in this case, the filling is not dissimilar enough to the bread. This passage is more like KFC's Double Down than it is their classic Chicken Sandwich.
 
To compare the two gospel accounts, is the woman a Syrophoenician or a Canaanite?

Mark opens with Jesus entering a house and hoping to escape notice. Matthew starts off more dramatically with the woman shouting out. He gives us Jesus intially ignoring the woman while the disciples urge him to send her away.

The interaction between Jesus and the woman is virtually identical in the two Gospels, yet Matthew adds a clarifying comment by Jesus: "I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel."

In Matthew, Jesus praises the woman for her great faith. This is only implied in Mark. Mark also provides the final detail of the child lying on the bed when the woman returns home.
 
Well, Matthew's gospel's rendition adds the phrase 'Lord, son of David" into the mix. Mark's gospel doesn't say anything about that. Does that make any difference to the story?
 
Redbaron said:
Well, Matthew's gospel's rendition adds the phrase 'Lord, son of David" into the mix. Mark's gospel doesn't say anything about that. Does that make any difference to the story?
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In some perceptions this may plug some alien concepts into the larger grasp! Schmo 's on the wall of that weird passage! History from a brush stroke ... as some ancients generated word images?

How to express something that doesn't physically appear ... get my grist? Private thoughts are often transparent ... or placed in a dark gem stone ... Oniche?
 
Longing for what falls under the rich man's table is mentioned in Luke's parable of Lazarus at the gate. Interestingly enough, dogs are also involved in the narrative.

But the story doesn't appear to be a parallel account of Loaves and Crumbs.(Mark 7: 24-30)
 
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