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It's the same thing we witnessed with Patrick Brown. Cater to the religious crazies to get the PC nomination, then abandon them before the election because you know they are a liability in the general. Once again, religious people are being used because they are so gullible.
 
paradox3 said:
Still haven't got my head around the Patrick Brown thing.
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Neither have I. The speed with which they disposed of him once the allegations were made was amazing.
If only a right-wing party in a country south of here had acted in the same expedient manner.....
 
I don't see any political party in Canada worth voting for. Nor can there be such a party so long as the Canadian people won't look at the reality of the world we are in. The NDP is a pale, pale shadow of the old CCF. The Greens don't recognize the extent of the problem, and are not prepared to be as radical as the situation requires.

Canada, like most of the world, suffers from an appalling ignorance of what is going on in the world. It also suffers from political parties which try to go where popular thinking is - which is quite useless when the reality is people have to be led toward something different.

I am, however, intrigued that jae thinks the CBC is the villainous news source in our society. Actually, it is the most honest one we have. When it is dishonest, that is because its political masters force it to be. The politicians, after all, control the CBC budget. And I have seen that power at work many times.

BBC, alas, has fallen a long way.

For unbiased and honest reporting? The most honest paper, by far, that I know of is Israel's Haaretz. The next is The Guardian - though it is not the paper it used to be. Increasingly it has been becoming a propaganda sheet like the rest.

I don't know of an honest, commercial news medium in Canada or the U.S. And, yes, that includes the New York Times. (Not a single North American news medium told the truth about the chemical weapons hoax pulled off by the White Helmets in Syria - though it was obvious from the start that it was a hoax.)

One, honest news medium, sort of, is Russia Times which you can get on the web. Just about everything it publishes is honest - but there's a trick to it. It simply doesn't report anything that might make Russia look bad.

But I suspect JAE reads The Post. I knew Conrad Black a little many years ago when he and I were using the same studio (but separately) at CBC radio. In fairness, I don't think he really knew the difference between lies and truth.

You think your favourite news source is reliable? Okay. In the !970s, the U.S. and Guatemala cooperated in the mass murder of Guatemala native people. And, when the Catholic church supported the native people, the US and Guatemala murdered priests, missionairies and nuns. (One of the missionairies who was murdered lies in a grave not far from where I live. But even the New Brunswick news media have never mentioned him.)

The only news medium in the western world that even mentioned what the U.S. and Guatemala were doing was The New York Times which mentioned it very briefly and just once about 1990.

If you want to learn about this, the only source is a film by Canada's National Film Board.
 
Graeme Decarie said:
I don't see any political party in Canada worth voting for. Nor can there be such a party so long as the Canadian people won't look at the reality of the world we are in. The NDP is a pale, pale shadow of the old CCF. The Greens don't recognize the extent of the problem, and are not prepared to be as radical as the situation requires.

Canada, like most of the world, suffers from an appalling ignorance of what is going on in the world. It also suffers from political parties which try to go where popular thinking is - which is quite useless when the reality is people have to be led toward something different.

I am, however, intrigued that jae thinks the CBC is the villainous news source in our society. Actually, it is the most honest one we have. When it is dishonest, that is because its political masters force it to be. The politicians, after all, control the CBC budget. And I have seen that power at work many times.

BBC, alas, has fallen a long way.

For unbiased and honest reporting? The most honest paper, by far, that I know of is Israel's Haaretz. The next is The Guardian - though it is not the paper it used to be. Increasingly it has been becoming a propaganda sheet like the rest.

I don't know of an honest, commercial news medium in Canada or the U.S. And, yes, that includes the New York Times. (Not a single North American news medium told the truth about the chemical weapons hoax pulled off by the White Helmets in Syria - though it was obvious from the start that it was a hoax.)

One, honest news medium, sort of, is Russia Times which you can get on the web. Just about everything it publishes is honest - but there's a trick to it. It simply doesn't report anything that might make Russia look bad.

But I suspect JAE reads The Post. I knew Conrad Black a little many years ago when he and I were using the same studio (but separately) at CBC radio. In fairness, I don't think he really knew the difference between lies and truth.

You think your favourite news source is reliable? Okay. In the !970s, the U.S. and Guatemala cooperated in the mass murder of Guatemala native people. And, when the Catholic church supported the native people, the US and Guatemala murdered priests, missionairies and nuns. (One of the missionairies who was murdered lies in a grave not far from where I live. But even the New Brunswick news media have never mentioned him.)

The only news medium in the western world that even mentioned what the U.S. and Guatemala were doing was The New York Times which mentioned it very briefly and just once about 1990.

If you want to learn about this, the only source is a film by Canada's National Film Board.
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Can an individual just deny and exclude anything that doesn't suit their emotional self?

There are people that state we should preserve inner calm ...
In all chaos there is a cosmos, in all disorder a secret order. Carl Jung
(Read more at: Carl Jung Quotes)​

One might need to wander outside to see how the alternate upsets occur ... an indeterminate activity, worshipped by confidence people ... these appear in imaginary numbers ... hoar ds of hosts? They are cannibalized by the land of naïveté!

And that's all there is to that ... all ado about nothing ... not a clue to be had (if you didn't wish to know ... few do)! Some digging required ... tis a Job that's down to the mire-line ... horizon!
 
Really disappointed in the NDP's decision not to run a candidate in my riding. Was planning on voting for them. This is really a two party race here (Lib. vs. PC) but I will be voting Green.
 
Jae said:
Really disappointed in the NDP's decision not to run a candidate in my riding. Was planning on voting for them. This is really a two party race here (Lib. vs. PC) but I will be voting Green.
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That's unusual for one of the big parties to sit out even one riding. Even Green try to run as many ridings as possible, knowing full well they likely won't win any (in this province, at least).
 
chansen said:
Who could have foreseen that a religious nutcase against the professional sex-ed curriculum would also be homophobic and Islamophobic? Who ever could have predicted that?
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The same people who have been noting that the Conservative Political Platform seems cozy with the alt-right fringes? Noting also that Doug has decided to plunk a Rebel Media has been into riding rather than letting the riding association field their own candidate. I wonder if we have any recent media about this candidate going too far for the ONPCs?
 
Mendalla said:
That's unusual for one of the big parties to sit out even one riding. Even Green try to run as many ridings as possible, knowing full well they likely won't win any (in this province, at least).
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I feel the NDP are staying out if this riding because they know here is such a two party race. Wise move.
 
Jae said:
I feel the NDP are staying out if this riding because they know here is such a two party race. Wise move.
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Is it at least a horse race or is there someone clearly ahead.

My riding is in play this time around since our MPP (Liberal) isn't running for re-election. Haven't got a sense yet who has a chance. PCs are running the former federal Conservative MP (lost the federal seat to the Liberals in 2015) and I won't touch her with a 10' pole. One of those hacks who just spews whatever the leader hands her. Not a lick of personality or initiative that I could see. Haven't really boned up on the candidates chosen by the other parties.
 
Mendalla said:
Is it at least a horse race or is there someone clearly ahead.

My riding is in play this time around since our MPP (Liberal) isn't running for re-election. Haven't got a sense yet who has a chance. PCs are running the former federal Conservative MP (lost the federal seat to the Liberals in 2015) and I won't touch her with a 10' pole. One of those hacks who just spews whatever the leader hands her. Not a lick of personality or initiative that I could see. Haven't really boned up on the candidates chosen by the other parties.
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Here it seems to be the PC's slightly ahead. Course, I say that as someone whose friends are all going for Ford. We have a Liberal incumbent - Yvan Baker. He seems like a good guy, but my sense is he hasn't done enough to hold onto his seat.
 
I don't see any adequate sense of social policy in any party - or on the part of the voters. As well, I don't see any adequate sense of social values and needs on the part of any party. We're starting to look a whole lot like the U.S. What this usually leads to is the election of Hitlers and Trumps - and Fords.
 
I'm living in a newly created riding. It will probably go PC because of its composition. PC Party has just announced it's mandated candidate, the Trillium Party has withdrawn the candidate it had for this riding. The Libs, NDPs and Green were set up well ahead of time. I've ordered my Green sign because hey, it's my house.
 
We're considering having an all-candidates' meeting at my church. If we do so, it'll be an all-candidates' meeting. Each and every candidate in the riding the church building is located in will receive an invite.
 
An all-candidates meeting sounds good - but it mostly useless. You don't get much of a sense of issues and options in such a meeting. We have a general population that has very little sense of what the issues are or what the options are. Our news media do a (deliberately) bad job of telling us that. Nor is there much though in general about the fundamentals of what a party should stand for. Canadians have little sense of the options, little sense of the issues, little sense of what political and social principles are - and you can't make that up in an hour or two in a church basement.

They need discussion and guests on a regular basis all year every year.

I'm not suggesting they should be preached to about it. I'm suggesting the church has a responsibility to increase their understanding of political parties, what they stand for, what they should stand for. A Trump as president should scare us all about the lack of any sense of understanding of what parties stand for and what they should stand for.

This, which affects ever aspect of the lives of all of should certainly be open to discussion - and certainly in a Christian context.

We Canadians have been killing people in Afghanistan and Libya, have supplied weapons to a Saudi Arabia which, with the U.S. is starving millions of innocent people to death in Yemen. Shouldn't Christians be discussing this? We live in a political and economic system based on greed. Would Jesus have been silent about that?

Again, I'm not suggesting taking a pulpit stance on these issues. But surely it's important for Christians to get a sense of them, and to be involved in thinking about them in a Christian context.
 
Graeme Decarie said:
An all-candidates meeting sounds good - but it mostly useless. You don't get much of a sense of issues and options in such a meeting. We have a general population that has very little sense of what the issues are or what the options are. Our news media do a (deliberately) bad job of telling us that. Nor is there much though in general about the fundamentals of what a party should stand for. Canadians have little sense of the options, little sense of the issues, little sense of what political and social principles are - and you can't make that up in an hour or two in a church basement.

They need discussion and guests on a regular basis all year every year.

I'm not suggesting they should be preached to about it. I'm suggesting the church has a responsibility to increase their understanding of political parties, what they stand for, what they should stand for. A Trump as president should scare us all about the lack of any sense of understanding of what parties stand for and what they should stand for.

This, which affects ever aspect of the lives of all of should certainly be open to discussion - and certainly in a Christian context.

We Canadians have been killing people in Afghanistan and Libya, have supplied weapons to a Saudi Arabia which, with the U.S. is starving millions of innocent people to death in Yemen. Shouldn't Christians be discussing this? We live in a political and economic system based on greed. Would Jesus have been silent about that?

Again, I'm not suggesting taking a pulpit stance on these issues. But surely it's important for Christians to get a sense of them, and to be involved in thinking about them in a Christian context.
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Graeme, our motive is not in having our neighbours be politically aware - nor do I feel it should be. If that happens, that's great, but we feel our calling as a church is to share with our neighbours the Good News of the Kingdom of God.
 
Oh. I see. So it's okay for us to be planning the destruction of the world, and meanwhile distributing wealth from the poor to the rich. And Jesus would have thought it a neat idea to starve the people of Yemen to death, and to sell armoured cars to murder them.

jae, read The Bible more carefully. The message of Jesus is not just about shouting hip! hip! hooray! for the Kingdom of God.
 
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