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Why do some folks want to worship a God who chooses to punish people. (Um, because they like punishing people?)
Give me the God of love that Jesus spoke of .........
Right, you wash your hands of it and put the blame on those you don't like or don't approve of. That way in your mind, you're right, and you don't worship a God who punishes, because they are responsible for their own punishment. It's really quite sick and twisted, what you believe. But I'll grant you that it's biblical.personally I don't and never have worshiped a God who sends people to hell
I don't recall at what point during creation that it says God created hell....when did God exactly create hell?It's hard to imagine that a God of Love would even create such a place, yet Jesus who showed us Love and mercy through his Life spoke about hell, even the OT brings up the subject.
What did God supposedly *not* create? Am I missing something?I don't recall at what point during creation that it says God created hell....when did God exactly create hell?
I don't recall at what point during creation that it says God created hell....when did God exactly create hell?
Well I doubt that God created Nuclear weapons, but he certainly created the materials....it takes us to figure out what to do with those materials. God did give us a good imagination.What did God supposedly *not* create? Am I missing something?
Well I doubt that God created Nuclear weapons, but he certainly created the materials....it takes us to figure out what to do with those materials. God did give us a good imagination.
Well, except the Jewish rabbis seem to be more inclusive with their understanding of Gehenna, Sheol, etc.....according to the Talmud, they believe that "the righteous of all people have a place in the world to come, with humanity as a whole being saved" Both Jewish and gentile will be reconciled with God in the afterlife, given the power of his grace and the fundamental goodness of humanity.I never said that it is written in the OT as part of the creation story, but merely that it is spoken about, (Tartarus, Gehenna, Hades, Sheol).
Well I doubt that God created Nuclear weapons, but he certainly created the materials....it takes us to figure out what to do with those materials. God did give us a good imagination.
I don't think any human technologies could be attributed directly to God. God (assuming one believes in God as divine creator of all that is) did provide, as you say, the raw materials and the ability to reason and imagine. Apparently not, though, the wisdom to use them sensibly (e.g. nuclear power, which could help save civilization by eliminating a lot of CO2 emissions, vs. nuclear weapons, which could destroy civilization).
And we are given that God is love, merciful, full of grace and creates justice and we somehow have turned that into placing the fear of hell and eternal damnation in many churches through our own judgments.I don't think any human technologies could be attributed directly to God. God (assuming one believes in God as divine creator of all that is) did provide, as you say, the raw materials and the ability to reason and imagine. Apparently not, though, the wisdom to use them sensibly (e.g. nuclear power, which could help save civilization by eliminating a lot of CO2 emissions, vs. nuclear weapons, which could destroy civilization).
No, it's not only the judgments of some Christians that cause this.And we are given that God is love, merciful, full of grace and creates justice and we somehow have turned that into placing the fear of hell and eternal damnation in many churches through our own judgments.
what did Jesus believe and say on the topic?Well, except the Jewish rabbis seem to be more inclusive with their understanding of Gehenna, Sheol, etc.....according to the Talmud, they believe that "the righteous of all people have a place in the world to come, with humanity as a whole being saved" Both Jewish and gentile will be reconciled with God in the afterlife, given the power of his grace and the fundamental goodness of humanity.
what did Jesus believe and say on the topic?