Informative Article on God's Unconditional and Conditional Love ------

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Luce NDs

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If power corrupts ... consider things that make you weak in the knees and kneady!

Shape up ...
 

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Why do some folks want to worship a God who chooses to punish people. (Um, because they like punishing people?)
Give me the God of love that Jesus spoke of .........
Hell would be a great topic to start since its a great stumbling block for many. It's hard to imagine that a God of Love would even create such a place, yet Jesus who showed us Love and mercy through his Life spoke about hell, even the OT brings up the subject.

so its obvious Hells is an issue to deal with if one is serious about their walk with Jesus since it was Jesus who spoke about it. Or since the topic is too unimaginable to deal with, we can ignore it, people do it all the time and in the process lose all the attributes of the Creator.

Im not saying this is you PilgrimsProgress, Im making the argument that hell according to Scripture & Jesus does exist, and if so, what then is going on? Does God really send people to hell or do we end up there by our own God-Given Free will?

personally I don't and never have worshiped a God who sends people to hell
 

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personally I don't and never have worshiped a God who sends people to hell
Right, you wash your hands of it and put the blame on those you don't like or don't approve of. That way in your mind, you're right, and you don't worship a God who punishes, because they are responsible for their own punishment. It's really quite sick and twisted, what you believe. But I'll grant you that it's biblical.
 

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One needs to go to hell to appreciate the heat and light ... moderately of course ... don't get too close to the S*n!

Excess and polar positions can burn ...
 

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It's hard to imagine that a God of Love would even create such a place, yet Jesus who showed us Love and mercy through his Life spoke about hell, even the OT brings up the subject.
I don't recall at what point during creation that it says God created hell....when did God exactly create hell?
 

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I don't recall at what point during creation that it says God created hell....when did God exactly create hell?
I never said that it is written in the OT as part of the creation story, but merely that it is spoken about, (Tartarus, Gehenna, Hades, Sheol).

but since nothing exists without the Creator of Heaven and earth, hell, or a place of eternal separation from The Creator would be a common understanding, just like everything else God Creates, hell is no exception.

a better question would be, is Hell and actual place? or is it simply a state of eternal being?
 

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People don't understand God's Love ---that is the real problem ------PilgrimsProgress

God is Love itself -----blackbelt1961 said it well here -----Does God really send people to hell or do we end up there by our own God-Given Free will?
personally I don't and never have worshiped a God who sends people to hell


So it all depends on how you view God who is Love ------God doesn't send people to be punished ----that is our choice

Understanding God who is Love is crucial in understanding who punishes who -----we humans think the world's way not God's way ---all we see is what we perceive to see and understand about human Love -----and how it works ----we can't get our head around any other Love -----

The only way to even start to understand God who is Love is by having God in us and spending a lot of time walking and talking to God in prayer and reading His word ----- the more Mature we become in our walk with Christ the more we see and understand His ways ------

that is how I see it ------
 

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What did God supposedly *not* create? Am I missing something?
Well I doubt that God created Nuclear weapons, but he certainly created the materials....it takes us to figure out what to do with those materials. God did give us a good imagination.
 

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God: love is not the search for love alone ... some intelligence should be gathered as cranks screw about!

In the mode of search for pleasure alone ... man made hell by messing up on the love idealism!

One has to fully understand the concept of "ideals" first ... thus the mine is a primal hole in which to hide and secure these heavy treasures ... so initially GOOGLE "ideals" very thoroughly for full phi lament over what the lady in the pool did to jah in the great go-round known as the great Sow! Chaos ens hued ...
 

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Well I doubt that God created Nuclear weapons, but he certainly created the materials....it takes us to figure out what to do with those materials. God did give us a good imagination.
Cautious alternates were available ... but with efficiency and cutting corners ... disaster is well rounded ... business as normal that ignores the folk for rite of industrialism!
 

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I never said that it is written in the OT as part of the creation story, but merely that it is spoken about, (Tartarus, Gehenna, Hades, Sheol).
Well, except the Jewish rabbis seem to be more inclusive with their understanding of Gehenna, Sheol, etc.....according to the Talmud, they believe that "the righteous of all people have a place in the world to come, with humanity as a whole being saved" Both Jewish and gentile will be reconciled with God in the afterlife, given the power of his grace and the fundamental goodness of humanity.
 

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Well I doubt that God created Nuclear weapons, but he certainly created the materials....it takes us to figure out what to do with those materials. God did give us a good imagination.
I don't think any human technologies could be attributed directly to God. God (assuming one believes in God as divine creator of all that is) did provide, as you say, the raw materials and the ability to reason and imagine. Apparently not, though, the wisdom to use them sensibly (e.g. nuclear power, which could help save civilization by eliminating a lot of CO2 emissions, vs. nuclear weapons, which could destroy civilization).
 

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Decent righteousness will bob to the surface and float off as the Lady of The Pool ... Moe?

She was big-eyed when seeing her rye effect on that strange man ... envy entered at this stage ... scratched out in Penne as the noodling goes!
 

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I don't think any human technologies could be attributed directly to God. God (assuming one believes in God as divine creator of all that is) did provide, as you say, the raw materials and the ability to reason and imagine. Apparently not, though, the wisdom to use them sensibly (e.g. nuclear power, which could help save civilization by eliminating a lot of CO2 emissions, vs. nuclear weapons, which could destroy civilization).

That does raise another conflict doesn't it ... wars of the sol?

Sol assumed to be the cognizant portion ... then there are those that would rather not have to decide ... thus quantum folk bi-chance! Spontaneous effects of spawn apparently!
 

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I don't think any human technologies could be attributed directly to God. God (assuming one believes in God as divine creator of all that is) did provide, as you say, the raw materials and the ability to reason and imagine. Apparently not, though, the wisdom to use them sensibly (e.g. nuclear power, which could help save civilization by eliminating a lot of CO2 emissions, vs. nuclear weapons, which could destroy civilization).
And we are given that God is love, merciful, full of grace and creates justice and we somehow have turned that into placing the fear of hell and eternal damnation in many churches through our own judgments.
 

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And we are given that God is love, merciful, full of grace and creates justice and we somehow have turned that into placing the fear of hell and eternal damnation in many churches through our own judgments.
No, it's not only the judgments of some Christians that cause this.

They do that because it's in the damn bible.

You act like it's not there. It really, really is. You are trying to disassociate yourself from blackbelt and unsafe, while also disagreeing with me. You are in a bit of a pickle.
 

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Well, except the Jewish rabbis seem to be more inclusive with their understanding of Gehenna, Sheol, etc.....according to the Talmud, they believe that "the righteous of all people have a place in the world to come, with humanity as a whole being saved" Both Jewish and gentile will be reconciled with God in the afterlife, given the power of his grace and the fundamental goodness of humanity.
what did Jesus believe and say on the topic?
 

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God is however corrupted by dirt once fallen from the space of heaven (said to be a state of mind) ... the physical hard landing!

Mortar 'd brahma ... the gama being a silent "gama' in some traditions!
 
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