Jihad Mohammad Hyjazie
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This is so moving. Do you think there are practical ways to nurture this in ourselves? Things that must be done and others that must be avoided?
Grace and the Law
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This is so moving. Do you think there are practical ways to nurture this in ourselves? Things that must be done and others that must be avoided?
BetteTheRed
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Listening for God in meditation/prayer would be one way, yes? Caring for our neighbour also tends to cultivate these qualities, as well.
If one depends on outside sources for guidance ... is one in danger of outside corruption? Then there are those that are determined not to know, think or associate with wisdom ... the enigma of Solomon's Wisdom as a lost tome ... it was removed by Roman guidance ... only the Song od Solomon remains ... like a howl in the night as the winds build in Eire?
BetteTheRed
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I don't think "listening for Godde" is an outside source at all.
Be quiet and listen to the silence ... the sounds thereof are feint as god as when chi saw what Hur children did ... dis Aster ... or the de flouring thereof ...
That could cause a BUZZ if you're caught in that natural act of Jacking something or other ... raising knowledge from Goshen?
That could cause a BUZZ if you're caught in that natural act of Jacking something or other ... raising knowledge from Goshen?
Hermann
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More like an inside source, eh?
airclean33
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-Hi Hermann. I agree Grace is an experience.An experience that should have sign"s as Grace comes from GOD though The Christ Jesus. I was wondering do you show the sign"s?
Then Grace for you is a force that can be stopped? Further upthread revjohn says no dam can hold it back.
airclean33
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Hi Rev John-- I would never have gone back to look at your post . Had not Waterfall Spoke about the dam.
--John post--Some of the resources that are placed in a Church's hands are greatly limited and must be stewarded accordingly. It is not my experience that grace is one of those resources. Grace and peace to you.
--Airclean--post-- And yet John it is pasted on by the church . Buy the laying on of hands.
Act 8:18 Now when Simon saw that the Spirit was given through the laying on of the apostles' hands, he offered them money,
--John post--Some of the resources that are placed in a Church's hands are greatly limited and must be stewarded accordingly. It is not my experience that grace is one of those resources. Grace and peace to you.
--Airclean--post-- And yet John it is pasted on by the church . Buy the laying on of hands.
Act 8:18 Now when Simon saw that the Spirit was given through the laying on of the apostles' hands, he offered them money,
Jihad Mohammad Hyjazie
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In my understanding, Divine Grace is not something that robs the human being from their free will to receive it or reject it. It would not be Grace anymore if it robs the human being of their free will to embrace it. Conversely, our free will is one of the greatest graces of God to us. It is the means by which we can rise to our highest potential as we seek deeper knowledge and exercise our free will to journey every closer to our Creator. It is what makes us human beings.
Our free will is at once of our greatest gifts and of our greatest liabilities. The potential possible for human beings cannot be reached otherwise, in my understanding.
Hence, can the gift of Grace be wasted, abused or polluted? Never from God's side, He is the Holy, He is the Just, He is the Wise, never without God's will, He is the All-powerful; certainly from the side of the human being who exercises their free will to respond with rejection and ingratitude.
And hence the critical question, in my understanding: the responsibility and the role of the human being in being the greatest recipient and reflection of God's Grace which showers equally and without stop upon all human beings alike. Hence, the question about a journey, a map, a guide..
Thanks for taking the time to share your thoughts. It is helping me think about these critical questions. I am learning a lot from you.
PS: Excuse the typos/spelling mistakes... I am taking a break from work and must catch up now..
Consider you've been pasted John ... a sticky issue?
One grace is stuck to you as a given thought ... it is hard to loose ... however if the mind is shelved ... well you know what is said about a given power that is not utilized ... you loose it!
Consider the somnolent mind compared to the sentient mind ... sort of like Seminole Icon ... a data signal from God in A'Moor's Code?
One grace is stuck to you as a given thought ... it is hard to loose ... however if the mind is shelved ... well you know what is said about a given power that is not utilized ... you loose it!
Consider the somnolent mind compared to the sentient mind ... sort of like Seminole Icon ... a data signal from God in A'Moor's Code?
In my understanding, Divine Grace is not something that robs the human being from their free will to receive it or reject it. It would not be Grace anymore if it robs the human being of their free will to embrace it. Conversely, our free will is one of the greatest graces of God to us. It is the means by which we can rise to our highest potential as we seek deeper knowledge and exercise our free will to journey every closer to our Creator. It is what makes us human beings.
Our free will is at once of our greatest gifts and of our greatest liabilities. The potential possible for human beings cannot be reached otherwise, in my understanding.
Hence, can the gift of Grace be wasted, abused or polluted? Never from God's side, He is the Holy, He is the Just, He is the Wise, never without God's will, He is the All-powerful; certainly from the side of the human being who exercises their free will to respond with rejection and ingratitude.
And hence the critical question, in my understanding: the responsibility and the role of the human being in being the greatest recipient and reflection of God's Grace which showers equally and without stop upon all human beings alike. Hence, the question about a journey, a map, a guide..
Thanks for taking the time to share your thoughts. It is helping me think about these critical questions. I am learning a lot from you.
PS: Excuse the typos/spelling mistakes... I am taking a break from work and must catch up now..
I must be a bad speller also because I couldn't find any mistakes.
You're posts are most eloquent.Some thoughts:
Yes we have free will but can a slave or a servant have free will when it comes to God's grace? I would think that once God's Grace enters in, we could only bow..... not question it.
unsafe
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What would be--- polluting Grace ------ God hates mixture ----so mixing Grace which is Pure and Holy with anything of man would be polluting Grace ----for instance mixing Grace and the Law ---The Law came by Moses ---Grace came by Jesus -------
There is a very good allegory on this very thing -------can't mix an Ishmael with an Isaac ----
Galatians 4GOD’S WORD Translation (GW)
You Are Children of the Promise
21 Those who want to be controlled by Moses’ laws should tell me something. Are you really listening to what Moses’ Teachings say?22 Scripture says that Abraham had two sons, one by a woman who was a slave and the other by a free woman.23 Now, the son of the slave woman was conceived in a natural way, but the son of the free woman was conceived through a promise made to Abraham.
24 I’m going to use these historical events as an illustration. The women illustrate two arrangements.[c]The one woman, Hagar, is the arrangement made on Mount Sinai. Her children are born into slavery.25 Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia. She is like Jerusalem today because she and her children are slaves.26 But the Jerusalem that is above is free, and she is our mother.27 Scripture says:
“Rejoice, women who cannot get pregnant,
who cannot give birth to any children!
Break into shouting, those who feel no pains of childbirth!
Because the deserted woman will have more children
than the woman who has a husband.”
28 Now you, brothers and sisters, are children of the promise like Isaac.
29 Furthermore, at that time the son who was conceived in a natural way persecuted the son conceived in a spiritual way. That’s exactly what’s happening now.30 But what does Scripture say? “Get rid of the slave woman and her son, because the son of the slave woman must never share the inheritance with the son of the free woman.”31 Brothers and sisters, we are not children of a slave woman but of the free woman.
There is a very good allegory on this very thing -------can't mix an Ishmael with an Isaac ----
Galatians 4GOD’S WORD Translation (GW)
You Are Children of the Promise
21 Those who want to be controlled by Moses’ laws should tell me something. Are you really listening to what Moses’ Teachings say?22 Scripture says that Abraham had two sons, one by a woman who was a slave and the other by a free woman.23 Now, the son of the slave woman was conceived in a natural way, but the son of the free woman was conceived through a promise made to Abraham.
24 I’m going to use these historical events as an illustration. The women illustrate two arrangements.[c]The one woman, Hagar, is the arrangement made on Mount Sinai. Her children are born into slavery.25 Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia. She is like Jerusalem today because she and her children are slaves.26 But the Jerusalem that is above is free, and she is our mother.27 Scripture says:
“Rejoice, women who cannot get pregnant,
who cannot give birth to any children!
Break into shouting, those who feel no pains of childbirth!
Because the deserted woman will have more children
than the woman who has a husband.”
28 Now you, brothers and sisters, are children of the promise like Isaac.
29 Furthermore, at that time the son who was conceived in a natural way persecuted the son conceived in a spiritual way. That’s exactly what’s happening now.30 But what does Scripture say? “Get rid of the slave woman and her son, because the son of the slave woman must never share the inheritance with the son of the free woman.”31 Brothers and sisters, we are not children of a slave woman but of the free woman.
Neo
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Well said Jihad. Our job in life is to blow the dust off our mirrors (using the gentle breath of spirit) so that grace can shine even brighter through us.In my understanding, Divine Grace is not something that robs the human being from their free will to receive it or reject it. It would not be Grace anymore if it robs the human being of their free will to embrace it. Conversely, our free will is one of the greatest graces of God to us. It is the means by which we can rise to our highest potential as we seek deeper knowledge and exercise our free will to journey every closer to our Creator. It is what makes us human beings.
Our free will is at once of our greatest gifts and of our greatest liabilities. The potential possible for human beings cannot be reached otherwise, in my understanding.
Hence, can the gift of Grace be wasted, abused or polluted? Never from God's side, He is the Holy, He is the Just, He is the Wise, never without God's will, He is the All-powerful; certainly from the side of the human being who exercises their free will to respond with rejection and ingratitude.
And hence the critical question, in my understanding: the responsibility and the role of the human being in being the greatest recipient and reflection of God's Grace which showers equally and without stop upon all human beings alike. Hence, the question about a journey, a map, a guide..
Thanks for taking the time to share your thoughts. It is helping me think about these critical questions. I am learning a lot from you.
PS: Excuse the typos/spelling mistakes... I am taking a break from work and must catch up now..
"If you are irritated by every rub, how will your mirror be polished?"
- Rumi
Polished mires? The dirt on brute force and how to leave the gem within the stone ... in real life this is different than in a virtual stalled life ... if your thoughts are gemstones in accrued world ... keep them covered up to support satyr Shakespeare, on the hidden point of literary device!
Never reveal truth in the lying domain ... where we're at with few ethereal exceptions ... entanglement theory?
Never reveal truth in the lying domain ... where we're at with few ethereal exceptions ... entanglement theory?
airclean33
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--Hi Jihad Mohammad. I am not sure you understand Christian belief. We believe The Lord Jesus died for our sins , if we except that. We are clean ,so the power of GOD has a clean place" to come into. The water dose not fall into polluted containers. We have a wonderful GOD who has sett forth the plan . Before humankind were.