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What happens when the advocate of disturbing the father in peace of emotions appears ?

Disruptive bumps in the order of daze ... Einstein called eM dimples in space ... BH Theology?

Nothing is as it is in virtue of imagination as indeterminate state ... still inky, or in key state ... and the music administrator is off .. distracted by something else again ...

Spatial effects? Thus the spate of affairs ... as phoqah look for heaven in areas of in-substance ... and there it wasn't ... yet there were incidents of implication with consequence! Leads to the roué about action, reaction and responsibility if you have a bill IDE to pay ... thus some of those billeted with yah ...
 
Waterfall said:
The way that his judgement is carried out yes. God sounds very human sometimes.
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Allegedly humanity is created in the image and likeness of God so one would expect, from time to time, to run into something very familiar about God.

Of course, God, by his very nature sees further and deeper than humanity can. Which is why we sometimes feel that God falls short of his own standards. As if we see more clearly, justly or morally than the one who set stars in their courses or measured the foundations of creation.

Sure, we can point to times in scripture where God is challenged. Can we point to passages where some human has pointed to God's failure?

With respect to Sodom and Gommorrah Abraham challenges God by saying,

Genesis 18: 25 said:
Far be it from you to do such a thing, to slay the righteous with the wicked, so that the righteous fare as the wicked! Far be that from you! Shall not the Judge of all the earth do what is just?
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And some haggling takes place.

God agrees to spare the city, the whole city, if 50 righteous can be found.
[FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif]Discounts that to 40 righteous.
Discounts that to 30 righteous.
Discounts that to 20 righteous.
Discounts that to 10 righteous.

10 righteous in a city of how many? And 10 righteous cannot be found. Not by God who searches all hearts and knows what evil lurks therein.

So two angels are dispatched to spend the night in the city square. Lot, Abraham's nephew will hear none of it and entreats them to stay with him in his home. The angels relent and accompany Lot to his place.

You know the story.

The men of the city swarm Lot's house demanding he hand over his visitors so that the men can rape them. Lot offers up his daughters and offer which is rejected. Not because the men are gay and not because the daughters are of no value but rather because the daughters belong in the city and the angels do not.

The angels strike the men blind and compel Lot, his wife and two daughters are safely evacuated from the danger zone.

Abraham stopped haggling at 10 suppose he had gone for 4?

And Abraham was appalled that God would destroy the righteous alongside of the unrighteous and God did not.

And yet Sodom and Gommorrah are destroyed.

It would appear that the only righteous in the city were allowed to leave before fire fell from the heavens.

And maybe those that were allowed to flee weren't as righteous as they should have been.

One cannot follow an instruction not to look back and the two daughters, fearing they will never find men to marry decide to get dad drunk so they can become impregnated by him.

Maybe God's original plan wasn't hastily concieved or that far gone.

Humanity likes to think that everyone is inherently worthy of forgiveness. That is an assault on grace in that mercy is no longer freely given but compelled.
 
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Marketing wisdom beyond the Norm?

Kind 've that out of it state for spontaneous ignition ... pyres of Ignatius? Perhaps shadowy flames ...

Some bael antes may be bene fissure ... pits for posting the apostolic ... something will come of it ...

Then there is Moses pole ... a'rod? For Mensa ... that dark head of the heavenly state ... Bathsheba ... something to wash for ...

Daily concerns are thus rinsed and filtered through the Mat ... a great weaving? Scouring of dirty sol ...
 
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revjohn said:
Allegedly humanity is created in the image and likeness of God so one would expect, from time to time, to run into something very familiar about God.

Of course, God, by his very nature sees further and deeper than humanity can. Which is why we sometimes feel that God falls short of his own standards. As if we see more clearly, justly or morally than the one who set stars in their courses or measured the foundations of creation.

Sure, we can point to times in scripture where God is challenged. Can we point to passages where some human has pointed to God's failure?

With respect to Sodom and Gommorrah Abraham challenges God by saying,



And some haggling takes place.

God agrees to spare the city, the whole city, if 50 righteous can be found.
[FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif]Discounts that to 40 righteous.
Discounts that to 30 righteous.
Discounts that to 20 righteous.
Discounts that to 10 righteous.

10 righteous in a city of how many? And 10 righteous cannot be found. Not by God who searches all hearts and knows what evil lurks therein.

So two angels are dispatched to spend the night in the city square. Lot, Abraham's nephew will hear none of it and entreats them to stay with him in his home. The angels relent and accompany Lot to his place.

You know the story.

The men of the city swarm Lot's house demanding he hand over his visitors so that the men can rape them. Lot offers up his daughters and offer which is rejected. Not because the men are gay and not because the daughters are of no value but rather because the daughters belong in the city and the angels do not.

The angels strike the men blind and compel Lot, his wife and two daughters are safely evacuated from the danger zone.

Abraham stopped haggling at 10 suppose he had gone for 4?

And Abraham was appalled that God would destroy the righteous alongside of the unrighteous and God did not.

And yet Sodom and Gommorrah are destroyed.

It would appear that the only righteous in the city were allowed to leave before fire fell from the heavens.

And maybe those that were allowed to flee weren't as righteous as they should have been.

One cannot follow an instruction not to look back and the two daughters, fearing they will never find men to marry decide to get dad drunk so they can become impregnated by him.

Maybe God's original plan wasn't hastily concieved or that far gone.

Humanity likes to think that everyone is inherently worthy of forgiveness. That is an assault on grace in that mercy is no longer freely given but compelled.
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So God doesn't teach by example such as turning the other cheek or loving ones enemy? Why is God threatened by mere mortals that fail to follow his teachings to the point he must destroy them?
 
revjohn said:
Humanity likes to think that everyone is inherently worthy of forgiveness. That is an assault on grace in that mercy is no longer freely given but compelled.
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Indeed. A proper understanding of grace acknowledges that actually none are inherently (at least according to their actions) "worthy" of forgiveness, but that God's forgiveness is an act of unmerited grace. And if grace is not unmerited then it really isn't grace.
 
revsdd said:
Indeed. A proper understanding of grace acknowledges that actually none are inherently (at least according to their actions) "worthy" of forgiveness, but that God's forgiveness is an act of unmerited grace. And if grace is not unmerited then it really isn't grace.
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Why is judging someone "unworthy" first and then offering Grace morally superior to seeing everyone as worthy to begin with?
 
Waterfall said:
Why is judging someone "unworthy" first and then offering Grace morally superior to seeing everyone as worthy to begin with?
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Since I have yet to meet anyone - including myself - who would be "worthy" by the standards of God (ie, someone who has loved in a perfectly selfless and unselfish way throughout their lives) then the only way for God to simply see everyone as worthy would be - to go back to a discussion we've already had - for God to grant us license to do whatever we wanted to do without consequence. I believe in grace, not license.
 
crazyheart said:
Maybe we should remove Bill Cosbey's picture up thread.
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Why? If it fits the context of the thread and isn't offensive in that context, it can stay. I'd have to go hunting for the post in question because I don't actually remember it.
 
revsdd said:
Since I have yet to meet anyone - including myself - who would be "worthy" by the standards of God (ie, someone who has loved in a perfectly selfless and unselfish way throughout their lives) then the only way for God to simply see everyone as worthy would be - to go back to a discussion we've already had - for God to grant us license to do whatever we wanted to do without consequence. I believe in grace, not license.
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Grace doesn't cover licence?
 
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