Giving to PanHandlers

[Jaebius]

Hi Pr. Jae --Many on wonder-cafe cannot or will not talk in tongues Jae. Some time back Rev John had said he was one who did not. Many on wonder cafe I believe, don't even understand what Tongues are all about because of this. God Bless ---airclean33

Yes, I feel you're right about that one brother. Nevertheless, I do encourage one and all to speak in tongues to the degree that they are able. Do you speak in tongues brother?

 

[GeoFee]

I followed the way of God and passed through a "tongue speaking" place. Being something of a mimic, I easily picked up the habit. Just as easily dropped it.

Inannawhimsey has some great insights above, about relationship as the main thing when trying to decide how to respond to a stranger in the street.

In Vancouver, Walking East Hastings, from Downtown to Main, I am at home in the language of the street. Eye contact is carefully measured, accomplished and affirmed by reply. I am seeing them as persons and they see me as person. Anything is possible.

For some number of years I walked the streets of downtown Winnipeg. Got to know all the characters. There was William. Shoes stuffed with plastic bags and knee length brown wool coat over thin shoulders. Grey head turning to bald, with eyes bright sparkling brown. William and I were talking about my daughter. She was having seizures. Barbara and I were concerned. He listened well. Then he said he would pray for our daughter. How could I forget someone like William?

I have a whole cupboard full of such encounter with others along the way. There was a Cree fellow in Calgary. We met while I was walking alone in the city streets. He was lonely and I had some time. We talked and I heard some of his life story. He heard some of mine. I asked him to join me for a bite. We entered a fine eatery. I ordered one dinner roll and one glass of red wine. It seemed a feast as we talked of life lived in the shadowed city.

Whether you give or withhold your giving, be kindly disposed to the stranger met.

 

[airclean33]

Somehow I find clarity in communication to be more important than speaking in tongues which, I understand, sometimes requires an interpreter.

Hi seeler --Who says what you speak is clear. What if I put you with a chinese person who spoke only one of the many dialects of Mandarin .I don't believe that person would understand you.Yet GODS word shows that on the day of Pentecost all those who heard Peter speak heard him speak , in there own tongue even though there were many there . That spoke in many different languages . How can this be? To pray to GOD for healing . You should know were and what part your praying for. I may not know , even the person with the pain may not know.So I lay hands on an speak in prayer tongues to ask GOD to heal . For The Holy Spirit knows what to ask for.You must ask for what you want. --airclean33

 

[airclean33]

Yes, I feel you're right about that one brother. Nevertheless, I do encourage one and all to speak in tongues to the degree that they are able. Do you speak in tongues brother?

I am a bornagain Christian Jae. Do ducks swim.How else would I know . My name is in the book of life?

 

[Waterfall]

I wonder if they all heard the same thing since it was all translated into their own tongue. Was it translated virgin or maiden? (for example) and did they all understand what was said in the same way? Haven't we all heard Peter speak in our own language even today?

 

[Ritafee]

1 Cor. 13:1-2,13~

 

[Waterfall]

@Jae and airclean, when you speak in tongues, what are you saying? Are you aware yourself of the translation? Does someone have to translate for you? Can you give an example of what you have said in tongues? Is it something profound or rather ordinary? I'm curious as to what is being said.

What makes someone qualified to translate?

 

[Waterfall]

. For The Holy Spirit knows what to ask for. --airclean33

Then why does the Holy Spirit need us to speak in tongues in order to know?

 

[Jaebius]

I am a bornagain Christian Jae. Do ducks swim.How else would I know . My name is in the book of life?

Do you believe that all born again Christians speak in tongues airclean? That's not a belief of mine. I believe that tongues is just one of many spiritual

@Jae and airclean, when you speak in tongues, what are you saying? Are you aware yourself of the translation? Does someone have to translate for you? Can you give an example of what you have said in tongues? Is it something profound or rather ordinary? I'm curious as to what is being said.

What makes someone qualified to translate?

I don't believe all born again Christians speak in tongues. I don't believe tongues is a marker for who the born again Christians are. I have spoken in tongues as a private prayer language. When I've done so I haven't consciously been aware of what I was saying. I feel that's the whole idea of tongues - the Spirit speaks through us when we feel we want to say something, but don't know how to express it in normal language. I cannot give an example of what I've said, nor would I, as I don't remember what I said, and also because it's private between God and I. I don't know if what I said was profound or ordinary. I feel it was born of passion and desire to connect with God. As to what would qualify someone to translate, they would have to have the spiritual gift of interpretation of tongues.

 

[unsafe]

For those who want to know about tongues -----you do not speak to other people in tongues ---you speak to God who understands the tongues He has given you ---- sometimes when a person speaks in tongues in a group of people there must be an interpreter present otherwise what the person is saying is of no use to the people who don't speak in tongues ----it is no different than someone speaking in Spanish or French or other languages that is not known to the group present ---without an interper the message is of no use ----the person speaking Spanish is only one knowing what is being said -----So to speak in a language God has giving only edifies selves and therefore in a group is of no use unless interpreted ----not all people are able to interpret what is being said ---God knows what is said and that is what is important -----

You can read this chapter it is all about tongues ----speaking in tongues is very powerful in situations where you don't know how to pray about a thing--- that is what words to use to express what you want -----Speaking in the language that God has given gets the job done ----- read more here --- https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Corinthians+14&version=NKJV


1 Corinthians 14New King James Version (NKJV)
Prophecy and Tongues
14 Pursue love, and desire spiritual gifts,but especially that you may prophesy.2 For he who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men but to God, for no one understandshim;however, in the spirit he speaks mysteries


Speaking in tongues edifies Self -----and is to be used properly ---


KJV Dictionary Definition: edified
edified
ED'IFIED, pp. Instructed; improved in literary, moral or religious knowledge.
edifier
ED'IFIER, n. One that improves another by instructing him.
edify
ED'IFY, v.t.L. oedifico; oedes, a house, and facio, to make.
1. To build, in a literal sense.Not now used.
2. To instruct and improve the mind in knowledge generally,and particularly in moral and religious knowledge, in faith and holiness.
Edify one another. 1 Thess.5.
3. To teach or persuade.Not used.
edifying
ED'IFYING, ppr. Building up in christian knowledge; instructing; improving the mind.


Tongues a Sign to Unbelievers ----i Corinthians 14:22 Therefore tongues are for a sign, not to those who believe but to unbelievers;----read all the chapter ------

 

[airclean33]

@Jae and airclean, when you speak in tongues, what are you saying?

What ever the Holy Spirit would have me say. You are a Christian there is no need to ask this of me . Receive the gift GOD has given you , it is your gift from your Loving Father.

Are you aware yourself of the translation? Does someone have to translate for you?
I will answer these questions sister . As I feel many may want to know out of fear . A fear that to me has no grounds to believe. Yes I understand one, may fear GOD. But believes this need not be , if your not in sin. For our Father is of Love and has no wish to hurt any.Tongues are GODS gift to you. It is just one of the powers GODS gives. But a very Important one.For I believe in it is your sign that your name is in the Book of Life You are saved. Tongues can be use in prayer to GOD. For it knows your sins , your needs .And how you should ask for GODS help. in this case I need no one to translate. Tongues Spoken allowed in with the church . Must be translate by another. The first speaker may or may not know what was said. For it is GOD speaking.I hope this is of help.

Can you give an example of what you have said in tongues? Is it something profound or rather ordinary? I'm curious as to what is being said.
What makes someone qualified to translate?

Praying in Tongues is a person , taking to GOD . One on One it is there prayer not mine.

I wonder if they all heard the same thing since it was all translated into their own tongue. Was it translated virgin or maiden? (for example) and did they all understand what was said in the same way? Haven't we all heard Peter speak in our own language even today?

First part of your question . What do you believe would be bigger news even in those days? A young women will have a child. Or a virgin will conceive an give birth .No I don't believe we have all heard Peter Speak. The holy Spirit did though . As it was He who gave Peter his words. Here are my thoughts . What if Tongues, were the language that Humankind were speaking. Before the tower of Babel.--God Bless --airclean33

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[Jaebius]

What ever the Holy Spirit would have me say. You are a Christian there is no need to ask this of me . Receive the gift GOD has given you , it is your gift from your Loving Father.

airclean, you and I have some different beliefs brother, but I respect your views and the way that you have presented them.

 

[airclean33]

Do you believe that all born again Christians speak in tongues airclean? That's not a belief of mine. I believe that tongues is just one of many spiritual

I don't believe all born again Christians speak in tongues. I don't believe tongues is a marker for who the born again Christians are.

First Jae I did not say all born-agains had to speak in Tongues I Fully how ever believe they can. You have not, because you ask not.Or words something like them . NOW where do your words come from? Why would you believe GOD would treat one of His Children different than another.Please post passage and vers.

I have spoken in tongues as a private prayer language. When I've done so I haven't consciously been aware of what I was saying. I feel that's the whole idea of tongues - the Spirit speaks through us when we feel we want to say something, but don't know how to express it in normal language. I cannot give an example of what I've said, nor would I, as I don't remember what I said, and also because it's private between God and I. I don't know if what I said was profound or ordinary. I feel it was born of passion and desire to connect with God. As to what would qualify someone to translate, they would have to have the spiritual gift of interpretation of tongues.

This is true Jae, But if you had read my posts you would see I was explaining Tongues. Because this gift has more than one purpose.So you don't( use) the gift, to interpreting Tongues.That gift is called Prophecy. That is one who can say what GOD said.It would seem a good gift for one who is to become a Minister of GOD.

Jae on another thread I just watched a man come onstage . In front of GODS people in what looked like an hawaiian shirt and dred locks.I thought oh my what have I turned on.In 5 mins he had me crying. In 10 he had me praising God . This person was so full of GODS Spirit . He would bring others to GOD where ever he happen to be. On an airplane , in a hospital, even in a mall.His words will stay with me a long time . WHAT else could I do for I am so full of GOD and His Holy Spirit.He use words like HE THAT IS IN YOU. GOD with us then WHO is against ? Let Him out Jae He chose you . He new you before you were in the womb. I try very hard not to limit my GOD.But find every time I get to the very top of that mountain . He says , come on son" we"v not yet started even. These are just the hills .Before my Mountain.Know" I will be with you always in each, an every step. Can you hear him Jae?- God Bless -airclean33

 

[airclean33]

First -- I must thank my Sister unsafe for her help always.
This is the video I watched . It came of the thread.
FIRE 2014.-It blessed me . I hope others may feel .Gods power.

I did not know The preacher.But believe He would not mind me saying. All Glory Is GODS.

 

[Jaebius]

Jae on another thread I just watched a man come onstage . In front of GODS people in what looked like an hawaiian shirt and dred locks.I thought oh my what have I turned on.In 5 mins he had me crying. In 10 he had me praising God . This person was so full of GODS Spirit .

Certainly possible. That's not the way I would choose to present myself as an ambassador of God's Kingdom, but perhaps he was sent to reach a different audience.

He would bring others to GOD where ever he happen to be. On an airplane , in a hospital, even in a mall.His words will stay with me a long time . WHAT else could I do for I am so full of GOD and His Holy Spirit.He use words like HE THAT IS IN YOU. GOD with us then WHO is against?

Amen, praise God.

Let Him out Jae He chose you . He new you before you were in the womb. I try very hard not to limit my GOD.

We shouldn't try to limit God, but in some ways God has chosen to limit himself. For example, God will not do anything that goes against his basic character. God will not coerce someone into salvation.

But find every time I get to the very top of that mountain . He says , come on son" we"v not yet started even. These are just the hills .Before my Mountain.Know" I will be with you always in each, an every step. Can you hear him Jae?- God Bless -airclean33

God and I have walked together for nearly two decades now. I'm learning to hear him better and better each day.

 

[Seeler]

Hi seeler --Who says what you speak is clear. What if I put you with a chinese person who spoke only one of the many dialects of Mandarin .I don't believe that person would understand you.Yet GODS word shows that on the day of Pentecost all those who heard Peter speak heard him speak , in there own tongue even though there were many there . That spoke in many different languages . How can this be? To pray to GOD for healing . You should know were and what part your praying for. I may not know , even the person with the pain may not know.So I lay hands on an speak in prayer tongues to ask GOD to heal . For The Holy Spirit knows what to ask for.You must ask for what you want. --airclean33

If I were in a room full of people who didn't speak English (or French) I would hope to have an interpreter.
I presume from the judgmental tone of your post, that you have had experiences in which you have been in a room full of non-English speaking Chinese and been able to speak clearly and be understood by all.

 

[unsafe]

Wow ! airclean33 this guy has got it ----you can just feel the joy in his speech when he especially mentions Jesus and the Holy Spirit ----hope all listen to this ---great video ---Thanks for sharing -----he loves what he is doing and he is doing it well ---All the Glory is God's and that is strong in his message . Love his preaching approach ----

God Bless Brother

 

[unsafe]

Hi airclean33

The message Todd White is strong on here which is so important in my opinion and one that most preachers do not preach on is ---just who we are in Christ and all He accomplished for us ----even after we get Born Again we are still not aware of all that we are given by and through the price that Jesus payed for us on the cross -----

This is just my thoughts on this ----

 

[revsdd]

First Jae I did not say all born-agains had to speak in Tongues I Fully how ever believe they can. You have not, because you ask not.Or words something like them . NOW where do your words come from? Why would you believe GOD would treat one of His Children different than another.Please post passage and vers.

I find this interesting. Like George above, there was a time in my walk of faith when I did, indeed, speak in tongues. I haven't in a long time, although I'm not closed to the possibility. God just hasn't led me to do so in a long time.

But you ask for passage and verse to demonstrate that God "treats" some differently than others. I suggest you consider 1 Corinthians 12:7-11:

Now to each one the manifestation of the Spirit is given for the common good. To one there is given through the Spirit a message of wisdom, to another a message of knowledge by means of the same Spirit, to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healing by that one Spirit, to another miraculous powers, to another prophecy, to another distinguishing between spirits, to another speaking in different kinds of tongues, and to still another the interpretation of tongues. All these are the work of one and the same Spirit, and he distributes them to each one, just as he determines.

It's not a matter of "treatment." All Christians are gifted in one way or another, but not all Christians receive all the gifts or the same gifts. Otherwise,to use more Pauline imagery, the whole body would be an eye without the ability to hear. The Holy Spirit distributes gifts as the Holy Spirit chooses. No matter how much you pray for a gift, the Holy Spirit does what the Holy Spirit does. Otherwise, we are sovereign rather than God.

 

[airclean33]

1 Cor. 13:1-2,13~

Hi unDefinitive---Your vers you quote seem to say . I don't have Love. It would be nice to see where you get this from. It happens I like Waterfall, even if we are not always in agreement. But even if I didn't I would still reach out to help. Waterfall asked some questions that I believed needed to be answered . I understood it could cause me some flak. If you would like to answer some of the questions . Please feel free to do so. If you have any for me , I am here, and will do my best to answer. Come on Undefinitive Your one of the reasons I am here, Go ahead an ASK.--airclean33