Giving to PanHandlers

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Then we have this that Jesus says to His diciples after he is raised up -----Jesus had payed the price on the cross already---

Mark 16:14-18New King James Version (NKJV)
The Great Commission

14 Later He appeared to the eleven as they sat at the table; and He rebuked their unbelief and hardness of heart, because they did not believe those who had seen Him after He had risen.15 And He said to them,“Go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature.16 He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned.17 And these signs will follow those who believe: In My name they will cast out demons; they will speak with new tongues;18 they[a]will take up serpents; and if they drink anything deadly, it will by no means hurt them; they will lay hands on the sick, and they will recover.”

So did Jesus accomplish these things on the cross for all who believe ----I believe so ----We have the ability to cast out demons ---speak in tongues ---heal the sick ---protection against Satan's attacks ----(serpents in greek

3789. ophis►
Strong's Concordance
ophis: a snake Original Word:ὄφις, εως, ὁ
Part of Speech:Noun, Masculine
Transliterationphis
Phonetic Spellingof'-is)
Short Definition:a serpent
Definition:a serpent, snake; used of the devil or Satan.
---Knowing who you are in Christ -----and what was accomplished on the cross ---

These are just my thoughts on this

 

[airclean33]

I find this interesting. Like George above, there was a time in my walk of faith when I did, indeed, speak in tongues. I haven't in a long time, although I'm not closed to the possibility. God just hasn't led me to do so in a long time.

Hi--Rev-Steve--I feel a need to say this . It was not GOD , but you who stopped talking in tongues to GOD Rev. What happened? Our Father has great Love for you and would never stop your talk with Him.My wife will now and then wake me at night and tell me I am still talking . I fell asleep and didn't hang up.

But you ask for passage and verse to demonstrate that God "treats" some differently than others. I suggest you consider 1 Corinthians 12:7-11:

I believe you will find these are offices . Although you have the power to enter any office . You will excel in the one appointed to you by the HOLY SPIRIT. Please take note it tells you there is but one HOLY SPIRIT for all. So I take that to mean we who are saved. All have the very same Spirit to help us.

It's not a matter of "treatment." All Christians are gifted in one way or another, but not all Christians receive all the gifts or the same gifts.

Well steve in GODS Word did not JESUS The Christ say, to all that would follow Him. The things I do you will do also and even more.The promise was not given to just one person. The Apostles as far as I know . Never said everybody stop talking in Tongues only one can speak. I do agree that they were told to take turns . When speaking in Tongues.

Otherwise,to use more Pauline imagery, the whole body would be an eye without the ability to hear. The Holy Spirit distributes gifts as the Holy Spirit chooses. No matter how much you pray for a gift, the Holy Spirit does what the Holy Spirit does. Otherwise, we are sovereign rather than God.

Here Rev why would you think GOD don't give you what you ask for?Unless it would hurt you , go ahead an ask.By the way Rev we are sovereign . I am a Son of The Living GOD. I am also of a chosen race, a part of a royal priesthood , a member of a Holy Nation. I have put on Christ Jesus.1 Peter2:9--10-------Are you sure you want a fight. God Bless. P.S I read Chansen had some good things to say about you. Well done Re Steven.--airclean33

 

[airclean33]

If I were in a room full of people who didn't speak English (or French) I would hope to have an interpreter.
I presume from the judgmental tone of your post, that you have had experiences in which you have been in a room full of non-English speaking Chinese and been able to speak clearly and be understood by all.

Hi Seeler -- You misunderstand, I was not there . The Spirit in me was though. The Word says it happened . The Spirit in me says it did as well. I am a follower of The Christ Jesus . I am a believe in all of GODS Word. Not just a part here, and a part there. I believe seeler you are one of the most schooled in GODS word here. Please read that part again in The book of Acts . And see what you think. The book of Acts--2 :1--12---- God Bless--airclean33

 

[revsdd]

Hi--Rev-Steve--I feel a need to say this . It was not GOD , but you who stopped talking in tongues to GOD Rev. What happened? Our Father has great Love for you and would never stop your talk with Him.My wife will now and then wake me at night and tell me I am still talking . I fell asleep and didn't hang up.

God has never stopped talking to me. airclean. I find it sad for you that you think God only speaks to you through you speaking in tongues. God speaks to me in many ways.

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I believe you will find these are offices . Although you have the power to enter any office . You will excel in the one appointed to you by the HOLY SPIRIT. Please take note it tells you there is but one HOLY SPIRIT for all. So I take that to mean we who are saved. All have the very same Spirit to help us.

No, airclean. These are not offices.

Now to each one the manifestation of the Spirit is given for the common good. To one there is given through the Spirit a message of wisdom, to another a message of knowledge by means of the same Spirit, to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healing by that one Spirit, to another miraculous powers, to another prophecy, to another distinguishing between spirits, to another speaking in different kinds of tongues, and to still another the interpretation of tongues. All these are the work of one and the same Spirit, and he distributes them to each one, just as he determines.

Not an office mentioned in that list. Those are a list of spiritual gifts. I believe you're thinking of 1 Corinthians 12:28.

And God has placed in the church first of all apostles, second prophets, third teachers, then miracles, then gifts of healing, of helping, of guidance, and of different kinds of tongues.

Those first three are offices.

Or you may have been thinking of Ephesians 4:11:

The gifts he gave were that some would be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, some pastors and teachers ...

All those are offices.

Well steve in GODS Word did not JESUS The Christ say, to all that would follow Him. The things I do you will do also and even more.The promise was not given to just one person. The Apostles as far as I know . Never said everybody stop talking in Tongues only one can speak. I do agree that they were told to take turns . When speaking in Tongues.

That is a more or less accurate quote of John 14:12. Now, where does it suggest that everyone can have any spiritual gift he or she desires, especially in light of 1 Corinthians, which states that the Holy Spirit will distribute the gifts as the Holy Spirit determines? Also, in John 14:12, Jesus speaks specifically, of course, of "works." One could debate whether "spiritual gifts" and "works" are equivalent to each other.

Here Rev why would you think GOD don't give you what you ask for?Unless it would hurt you , go ahead an ask.By the way Rev we are sovereign . I am a Son of The Living GOD. I am also of a chosen race, a part of a royal priesthood , a member of a Holy Nation. I have put on Christ Jesus.1 Peter2:9--10-------Are you sure you want a fight. God Bless. P.S I read Chansen had some good things to say about you. Well done Re Steven.--airclean33

To be perfectly blunt, one of the more frightening things I have ever seen suggested anywhere from a Christian is that we, rather than God, are sovereign. All things belong to God, airclean, and ultimately all things are under God's sovereignty - even us. We have a limited sovereignty over our own lives and choices, but it is limited in that it is given to us by God. It is a derived sovereignty, not one that we possess by our own right.

 

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Hi unDefinitive ... If you have any for me , I am here, and will do my best to answer. Come on Undefinitive Your one of the reasons I am here, Go ahead an ASK.--airclean33

DO YOU GIVE TO PANHANDLERS?
WHY OR WHY NOT?

 

[airclean33]

God has never stopped talking to me. airclean. I find it sad for you that you think God only speaks to you through you speaking in tongues. God speaks to me in many ways.

Hi steven I am sure God speaks in many ways. That is not what I ask . I said you stoped talking to Him in tongues . Then ask you why.


No, airclean. These are not offices.

airclean-- This is your thoughts I disagree.

Not an office mentioned in that list. Those are a list of spiritual gifts. I believe you're thinking of 1 Corinthians 12:28.
airclean Once again this is your belief . Do you use these in your Ministry?If these are just spiritual gifts . why not . Could it be because they are only given to one person each ? But by the same Spirit that all carry , The Holy Spirit.


Those first three are offices.

Or you may have been thinking of Ephesians 4:11:

Airclean---If you mean Eph 4:11 I agree these are an office of power.

All those are offices.




That is a more or less accurate quote of John 14:12. Now, where does it suggest that everyone can have any spiritual gift he or she desires, especially in light of 1 Corinthians, which states that the Holy Spirit will distribute the gifts as the Holy Spirit determines? Also, in John 14:12, Jesus speaks specifically, of course, of "works." One could debate whether "spiritual gifts" and "works" are equivalent to each other.
Airclean---Why would GOD tell you to seek if you could not gain it.
1Co 12:31 But earnestly desire the higher gifts. And I will show you a still more excellent way.



To be perfectly blunt, one of the more frightening things I have ever seen suggested anywhere from a Christian is that we, rather than God, are sovereign
Airclean--We are sovereign , because GOD Himself is in us. Don't you understand this?I never said GOD was not soverign, If that were the case nor are we.

All things belong to God, airclean, and ultimately all things are under God's sovereignty - even us. We have a limited sovereignty over our own lives and choices, but it is limited in that it is given to us by God. It is a derived sovereignty, not one that we possess by our own right.

What the heck is limited sovereignty.Christ came from GOD. Or He did not.He was GOD in Flesh or He was not.I trust Christ was GOD with us through Jesus. I trust that The Christ was GOD Emmanuel with us. GOD with us.We are told to put on Christ Jesus. To be Him. We are told GOD in The Form of The Holy Spirit has taken a home with us, in us. I have no Idea what your getting at Rev. But it don't come out the Bible the same as I see it.

 

[Jaebius]

What the heck is limited sovereignty.Christ came from GOD. Or He did not.He was GOD in Flesh or He was not.I trust Christ was GOD with us through Jesus. I trust that The Christ was GOD Emmanuel with us. GOD with us.We are told to put on Christ Jesus. To be Him. We are told GOD in The Form of The Holy Spirit has taken a home with us, in us. I have no Idea what your getting at Rev. But it don't come out the Bible the same as I see it.

Where in the Bible are we told to be Christ?

 

[airclean33]

DO YOU GIVE TO PANHANDLERS?
WHY OR WHY NOT?

Hi UnDefinitive --I do at times . Not always , I have no wish to( enable) . If they come to me an say they hunger. I will go with them and buy lunch or supper. If they ask for money I say no. Even that though is not always true . God has said go across the street and give that person ten dollars.So I will do that which GOD says. airclean33

 

[airclean33]

Where in the Bible are we told to be Christ?

Christ obeyed all the Laws , and so became the seed of Abraham . Where comes the promise of GOD. We are told to put on Christ Jesus. Gal13: 25--27---------Romans 13:14 I hope it helps Jae. God Bless---airclean33

 

[GeoFee]

Said the spider to the fly...?

 

[revsdd]

What the heck is limited sovereignty.Christ came from GOD. Or He did not.He was GOD in Flesh or He was not.I trust Christ was GOD with us through Jesus. I trust that The Christ was GOD Emmanuel with us. GOD with us.We are told to put on Christ Jesus. To be Him. We are told GOD in The Form of The Holy Spirit has taken a home with us, in us. I have no Idea what your getting at Rev. But it don't come out the Bible the same as I see it.

Limited sovereignty means that our sovereignty (ie, free will to make our own decisions) is granted to us by God. I repeat, airclean, that if you are claiming to be Christ or if you are claiming that we, rather than God, are sovereign, then that is extremely dangerous. And Pr.Jae raises a good question. Where does that Bible tell us that we are to BE Christ?

 

[Jaebius]

Christ obeyed all the Laws , and so became the seed of Abraham . Where comes the promise of GOD. We are told to put on Christ Jesus. Gal13: 25--27---------Romans 13:14 I hope it helps Jae. God Bless---airclean33

And you understand this "put on Jesus" to mean "become Jesus"? Do you think it possible for us to become the Son of God?

 

[unsafe]

Are we small god's -----you be the judge ------

God is sovereign He made Moses a god in the Old Testament---Exodus 7:1 And the LORD said to Moses, See, I have made you a god to

---- in the New Testament ---Jesus died and brought the Holy Spirit to endwell in us we have the power of God living on the inside of us given to us by God Himself ----- we have the ability to do all Jesus did -----We are not Jesus Himself --we are His representatives -----we have the same abilities as Jesus -----

John 10 34 -----Ye are gods—being the official representatives and commissioned agents of God.


Cross References

Psalm 82:6
I said, "You are gods, And all of you are sons of the Most High.


Is it not written in your law—in Psalms 82:6, respecting judges or magistrates.
　
gods.----http://biblehub.com/crossref/john/10-34.htm


Exodus 7:1 And the LORD said to Moses, See, I have made you a god to


Exodus 4:16 And he shall be your spokesman to the people: and he shall be, even


http://www.bibletools.org/index.cfm/fuseaction/Bible.show/sVerseID/26516/eVerseID/26516/RTD/rwpnt


John 10:34 ----commentary ---Ye are gods (qeoi este). Another direct quotation after eipa but without oti. The judges of Israel abused their office and God is represented in Psalms 82:6 as calling them "gods" (qeoi, elohim) because they were God's representatives. See the same use of elohim in Exodus 21:6; Exodus 22:9, Exodus 22:28. Jesus meets the rabbis on their own ground in a thoroughly Jewish way.

you can read this better here Text Analysis of John 10:34-----http://biblehub.com/text/john/10-34.htm

Strong's Transliteration Greek English Morphology


2316 [e] Theoi Θεοί gods N-NMP
1510 [e] este ἐστε; you are?
V-PIA-2P

John 10:34 V-PI-2P -----see more here ----http://biblehub.com/greek/este_1510.htm

GRK:
εἶπα Θεοί ἐστε

INT: said gods you are

　

2316. theos ► ------
http://biblehub.com/greek/2316.htm


Strong's Concordance
theos: God, a god
Original Word:
θεός, οῦ, ὁ


Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine; Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: theos
Phonetic Spelling: (theh'-os)
Short Definition: God, a god

Definition: (a) God, (b) a god, generally.


4.
Θεός is used of whatever can in any respect be likened to God, or resembles him in any way: Hebraistically, equivalent to God's representative or vicegerent, of magistrates and judges, John 10:34f after Psalm 81:6

 

[revsdd]

Are we small god's -----you be the judge.
God is sovereign He made Moses a god in the Old Testament---Exodus 7:1 And the LORD said to Moses, See, I have made you a god to

---- in the New Testament ---Jesus died and brought the Holy Spirit to endwell in us we have the power of God living on the inside of us given to us by God Himself ----- we have the ability to do all Jesus did -----We are not Jesus Himself --we are His representatives -----we have the same abilities as Jesus -----

There is no doubt that we are god-like, made in the image of God, reflecting the glory of God.

I agree that Jesus sent the Holy Spirit, through whom God dwells within us.

I agree that we are representatives of Jesus, called to continue his ministry and to reflect him to others.

As to us having the same "abilities" as Jesus. I'm sure you wouldn't mind, unsafe, inviting me over to watch you walk on water. Or, perhaps, the next time I conduct a tragic funeral you wouldn't mind me inviting you over to demonstrate how successful you've been at raising the dead. Of course, our ability to do either of those things depends on the will of God in allowing/equipping/gifting us to be able to do so. Because only God has the innate ability to do such things. We don't. We are an image, god-like or "gods" (small "g") if you prefer, but we are not God, of course. Any authority or sovereignty we possess is given to us by God. Thus it is ours only in a derived sense, limited in that the same God who gives could also take away.

 

[Jaebius]

There is no doubt that we are god-like, made in the image of God, reflecting the glory of God.

I agree that Jesus sent the Holy Spirit, through whom God dwells within us.

I agree that we are representatives of Jesus, called to continue his ministry and to reflect him to others.

As to us having the same "abilities" as Jesus. I'm sure you wouldn't mind, unsafe, inviting me over to watch you walk on water. Or, perhaps, the next time I conduct a tragic funeral you wouldn't mind me inviting you over to demonstrate how successful you've been at raising the dead. Of course, our ability to do either of those things depends on the will of God in allowing/equipping/gifting us to be able to do so. Because only God has the innate ability to do such things. We don't. We are an image, god-like or "gods" (small "g") if you prefer, but we are not God, of course. Any authority or sovereignty we possess is given to us by God. Thus it is ours only in a derived sense, limited in that the same God who gives could also take away.

Love your thinking here revsdd!

 

[airclean33]

Limited sovereignty means that our sovereignty (ie, free will to make our own decisions) is granted to us by God. I repeat, airclean, that if you are claiming to be Christ or if you are claiming that we, rather than God, are sovereign, then that is extremely dangerous. And Pr.Jae raises a good question. Where does that Bible tell us that we are to BE Christ?

Hi Revsdd--Do you rev understand where we are today? Is GOD The Father or Jesus Christ The Son. In Charge right now?Who is in command right now?It is your job to know , that you may teach others as a Minster of our GOD. Are you familiar with the Abraham promise?GOD made a promise , that though the( seed). Please note not seeds. The world would be saved.That seed was and is Christ Jesus.He and He alone fulfilled the Laws ,were you and I, an all Humankind had failed. So you see Steven . If you have not" put on Christ Jesus, then you will be seen for what,and who you are a sinner. I am saved by Grace the( coat) I wear here . I shell not have on in the Kingdom.. I am wash in the( blood) of the Lamb. All Glory Is Gods. What is the life of the flesh Steven? Is it not the blood?All understanding don't save Steven . Only Christ Jesus can do that. These are my thoughts on GOD. This is my walk with GOD. There are many walks with GOD, but there really is but one way. My Belief is His Name Is Jesus The Christ. May God Bless you----airclean33

 

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Jesus is speaking here -----

Mark 16:14-18New King James Version (NKJV)
The Great Commission

14 Later He appeared to the eleven as they sat at the table; and He rebuked their unbelief and hardness of heart, because they did not believe those who had seen Him after He had risen.15 And He said to them,“Go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature.16 He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned.17 And these signs will follow those who believe: In My name they will cast out demons; they will speak with new tongues;18 they[a]will take up serpents; and if they drink anything deadly, it will by no means hurt them; they will lay hands on the sick, and they will recover.”


Peter a mere man walks on the water ---- can we ----we have the ability the same as Peter did ----Peter lost focus off Jesus so he sank----just how focused are we on Jesus without distractions -----without fear -----

Matthew 14:29-30New King James Version (NKJV)

29 So He said, “Come.” And when Peter had come down out of the boat, he walked on the water to go to Jesus.30 But when he saw that the wind was boisterous,[a] he was afraid; and beginning to sink he cried out, saying, “Lord, save me!”


Matthew 21:20-21New King James Version (NKJV)

The Lesson of the Withered Fig Tree

20 And when the disciples sawit,they marveled, saying, “How did the fig tree wither away so soon?”
21 So Jesus answered and said to them,“Assuredly, I say to you, if you have faith and do not doubt, you will not only do what was done to the fig tree, but also if you say to this mountain, ‘Be removed and be cast into the sea,’ it will be done.

Doing what Jesus did by and through Faith -----He says we can -----Straight from is Mouth ----

Up to us to believe or not ----

 

[crazyheart]

I don't want to be God.

 

[airclean33]

Jesus is speaking here -----

Mark 16:14-18New King James Version (NKJV)
The Great Commission

14 Later He appeared to the eleven as they sat at the table; and He rebuked their unbelief and hardness of heart, because they did not believe those who had seen Him after He had risen.15 And He said to them,“Go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature.16 He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned.17 And these signs will follow those who believe: In My name they will cast out demons; they will speak with new tongues;18 they[a]will take up serpents; and if they drink anything deadly, it will by no means hurt them; they will lay hands on the sick, and they will recover.”


Peter a mere man walks on the water ---- can we ----we have the ability the same as Peter did ----Peter lost focus off Jesus so he sank----just how focused are we on Jesus without distractions -----without fear -----

Matthew 14:29-30New King James Version (NKJV)

29 So He said, “Come.” And when Peter had come down out of the boat, he walked on the water to go to Jesus.30 But when he saw that the wind was boisterous,[a] he was afraid; and beginning to sink he cried out, saying, “Lord, save me!”


Matthew 21:20-21New King James Version (NKJV)

The Lesson of the Withered Fig Tree

20 And when the disciples sawit,they marveled, saying, “How did the fig tree wither away so soon?”
21 So Jesus answered and said to them,“Assuredly, I say to you, if you have faith and do not doubt, you will not only do what was done to the fig tree, but also if you say to this mountain, ‘Be removed and be cast into the sea,’ it will be done.

Doing what Jesus did by and through Faith -----He says we can -----Straight from is Mouth ----

Up to us to believe or not ----

Hi Sister I like this post..If you don't mind I would ad. Those who hunger and thirst Come" drink and eat ,For this is food, and drink to the Spirit.

 

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Knowing who we are in Christ Jesus is key -----what Jesus accomplished on the cross -----very powerful stuff ----