Gender roles in the church in the non-binary world

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"I had a higher opinion of myself than I deserved"

If not of knowledge or intelligence ... would these be emotionally blind projections ... and thus when learning facts other than myths previously impacted ... one become depressed and pitted with prescience of wisdom?

God help us all ... what a chaotic realm we're in ... when people choose emotions over intelligence ... a deeper attribute of the human mine as a fluid hole?

I can see why Plato was fascinated with these formless voids ...
 
GordW said:
This is true.
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Actually, for fun I just checked the Wikipedia article on Jordan. What I thought was most notable (and it made me chuckle softly) was not the mention of her sexuality (which is reserved to the very end in about a line and a half) but near the beginning when it says that "Her mother being Methodist and her father Roman Catholic, she was raised in the Anglican church ..." as if, "where else would she be raised?"

Meanwhile, I take note of the fact that I don't even have a Wikipedia entry.
 
What are wiki'd paedia? Wondering sol ...

The prodigal will learn given an opportunity ... those seizing opportunity ... may bej aired ...

Close to djinns ... and scent of broad-based wisdom as a genre ... when one compares genre with gender is there confusion?

Real people are like that ... no abstract quality ... give me a semi urgent sort ...
 
mgagnonlv said:
But is it even necessary? I see two types of segregation.

1. Institutionalized segregation. For instance, the Roman-Catholic Church only allows celibate males to become priests (with very very few exceptions). That's a case where, to be inclusive, the actual rules would need to be updated. When there is the desire to do so, it's very easy to do: change the rules!

2. Cultural segregation. This is the most prevalent type and the most complicated to outdo. One of the ways, I think, is to question why we would need to have gender-based groups in a Church (or any other institution). Sometimes, it's because "men's group" cover different subjects than "women's group". They may offer different social activities or even study different parts of the Bible or ask different questions... which is both good and bad.

I think an efficient way to go around gender-based groups is to create interest-based groups. For instance, a card-playing group, a crafts group, one that discusses organized sports, finances, etc. There may be more women than men interested in the crafts group (for example), but a crafts group doesn't exclude men or gender-f***ed people who are interested in the matter.

As for Bible groups that study the Bible differently according to their gender (I've seen it!), then I think it's bad because it tends to comfort each group into typical stereotypes. I think we need to promote assertiveness amongst females and gentleness amongst males.
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1. I'd say that sex is different than gender. Gender is more private and personal.
2. I'd think that congregations are there voluntarily and as long as they aren't breaking the law (like defenestrating homosexuals or female genital mutilation) its their culture and their business and their fan club
3. The church that I'm at I still don't get the sex based clubs and meals, tho by now I don't feel like I have a second head
4. My statement of the nongenderfucked was to point out that they should not be shamed or otherwise humiliated into accepting people who self identify as attack helicopters or otherwise. Even now though we have Canadian law on our side to go against those who violate my personal pronouns mua haha
5. Radically inclusive is part of agape. It is a 12 way street lol

Disclosure: all this is coming from someone who grew up in a pinkocommie egalitarian catholic in outlook with regards to ideas and experiences...

LA DI DAH!!!
 
mgagnonlv said:
Would the birth rate drop?

It has already! Compare birth rate of 100 years ago (5-6 kids per family) with the current one of 1,7 or 1,8 kid per woman. We have much better health conditions (less infant deaths) and contraception, but also an environment where children are not as welcomed as they were 100 years ago. Children used to be free labour on the farm; now we aren't allowed to send them to the park by themselves.

Maybe the long term solution is to identify those people who are good with children (who selects them) and make them professional parents. These people should be chosen according to their ability, not their sex or gender. In a word, that's an extension of daycare as we know it.

And there is also the other point of view that the solution would actually be better immigration policies: we should move people away from overpopulated areas of the world and make them Canadians: a sort of "don't breed new humans, but use the ones we have elsewhere on earth.
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Professional parents...Sounds Brave New World-ish
 
revsdd said:
To be honest I think we've done less of this with Jordan Cantwell than we did with Gary Patterson. I rarely hear Jordan's sexuality mentioned.
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Gary broke new ground, being the first openly gay leader of a major denomination...anywhere (in the whole world). After that, it seems like much less of a big deal. As it should.
 
Jae said:
Ford? The car company? Please explain.
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In Brave New World, the citizens sang praises to "Dear Ford" - as it took place far into the future I think Ford was supposed to be the departed car company mogul - immortalized and deified.

They also didn't have parents. They were born in test tube factories. Real parenthood was shunned as primitive - so the "classes" of children had nannies but they didn't get too attached. I think there was a special name for them. I can't remember. But, "professional parents" brought that book to mind.
 
Ford ... a function of "ord" as missals of ordinance by heated tongues!

In the Carpetbaggers the f=> c and thus a cord of clues ... still affiliated with a strange story about who screwed up ...

Thus timely dun kings in timeless ness for re grouping ... hoo's left or remaining ... counterintuitive grasp? That pri mated urge .. for being affectionate for the whole thing? OMG 'd ... why we were jumped up ... when we became cognizant of spontaneity ?

There are those that suspect a dark blast ...
 
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