Gender roles in the church in the non-binary world

[Jaebius]

WHen exactly? In post #70 (just before you asked your question) he wrote:


Which clearly states that p[people can state their position about what they believe to be the "betterment of society", but points out that they do not have the authority to dictate or enforce that POV on others. So now they have to argue and convince, and in a pluralistic society that convincing needs to include something other than a religious argument.

People of faith can absolutely guide their involvement in the public sphere by their beliefs. I really don't care if you and @Mendalla would have otherwise Gord. If a politician who is a believer is voting on something, for example, they absolutely have the right to base that decision on what they believe.

 

[GordW]

People of faith can absolutely guide their involvement in the public sphere by their beliefs. I really don't care if you and @Mendalla would have otherwise Gord. If a politician who is a believer is voting on something, for example, they absolutely have the right to base that decision on what they believe.

They have that right. People of faith SHOULD guide their decision on their beliefs. They also have the right to be voted down or have their decision challenged in court if it does not meet the law of the land because they do not, by virtue of their beliefs or by virtue of having won an election, have the right to enforce that all other people in the community live by those standards when those standard go beyond the limits set by the law of the land.

 

[Jaebius]

They have that right. People of faith SHOULD guide their decision on their beliefs. They also have the right to be voted down or have their decision challenged in court if it does not meet the law of the land because they do not, by virtue of their beliefs or by virtue of having won an election, have the right to enforce that all other people in the community live by those standards when those standard go beyond the limits set by the law of the land.

They also have the right to make and interpret law when they are duly in the roles to do so. And they SHOULD be guided in their law-making and interpreting by their religious beliefs.

 

[Waterfall]

@Jae, I'm a bit confused. Are you against same sex marriages....I thought you had changed your mind about that.....or was I dreaming?

 

[Jaebius]

@Jae, I'm a bit confused. Are you against same sex marriages....I thought you had changed your mind about that.....or was I dreaming?

Waterfall, I base on my view on marriage on my understanding of what the Bible says on the subject. To me, marriage is an exclusive, lifelong partnership of love and faithfulness. It must only involve one man and one woman. The couple must have it formalized it in a legally-sanctioned marriage. I see such a marriage as the exclusive context for sexual intimacy.

 

[GordW]

They also have the right to make and interpret law when they are duly in the roles to do so. And they SHOULD be guided in their law-making and interpreting by their religious beliefs.

ANd then also have t be guided by what the law allows, laws passed by the Legislative branch and signed by the Governor General (or Lieutenant Governor in provincial law) that violate the COnstitution are not in fact laws. Which means that beliefs are one of the factors that need to be used as a guide, not the only measure.

 

[GordW]

Waterfall, I base on my view on marriage on my understanding of what the Bible says on the subject. To me, marriage is an exclusive, lifelong partnership of love and faithfulness. It must only involve one man and one woman. The couple must have it formalized it in a legally-sanctioned marriage. I see such a marriage as the exclusive context for sexual intimacy.

BUt that is not exactly what Scripture says. Scripture says that marriage can be polygamous. Scripture allows marriage to be based on arrangements made that ignore love. Scripture allows the forced marriage of a rape survivor to her attacker. Scripture allows a female child to be sold into slavery (which likely includes the very real possibility of sexual assault). And the whole legally-sanctioned bit is not necessarily the norm in much of human history.

 

[Luce NDs]

People of faith can absolutely guide their involvement in the public sphere by their beliefs. I really don't care if you and @Mendalla would have otherwise Gord. If a politician who is a believer is voting on something, for example, they absolutely have the right to base that decision on what they believe.

Even if they are lacking primal intelligence?

 

[Luce NDs]

BUt that is not exactly what Scripture says. Scripture says that marriage can be polygamous. Scripture allows marriage to be based on arrangements made that ignore love. Scripture allows the forced marriage of a rape survivor to her attacker. Scripture allows a female child to be sold into slavery (which likely includes the very real possibility of sexual assault). And the whole legally-sanctioned bit is not necessarily the norm in much of human history.

So much for absorbing such silly intellect ... if you do just what the louder voice in your head calls for ... and ignore the whisper in the background as God's alternate self!

It resembles a whisper in the pines ...

 

[Northwind]

BUt that is not exactly what Scripture says. Scripture says that marriage can be polygamous. Scripture allows marriage to be based on arrangements made that ignore love. Scripture allows the forced marriage of a rape survivor to her attacker. Scripture allows a female child to be sold into slavery (which likely includes the very real possibility of sexual assault). And the whole legally-sanctioned bit is not necessarily the norm in much of human history.

That is the best answer Gord!

 

[Luce NDs]

That is the best answer Gord!

Even Job god a replacement for his sol mate ... perhaps reinforced with new intelligence and thoughts ... not good to be just stuck on a pole ... Time will tell!

One has to have an open sol to let timely things blow through ...

 

[Northwind]

Even Job god a replacement for his sol mate ... perhaps reinforced with new intelligence and thoughts ... not good to be just stuck on a pole ...

Okay I think I understood that. I truly wish the world was a simple as those who think in black and white would have us believe it works. You my friend can never be accused of thinking in black and white.

 

[Luce NDs]

Okay I think I understood that. I truly wish the world was a simple as those who think in black and white would have us believe it works. You my friend can never be accused of thinking in black and white.

I have been forever hated for what goes on in the confined grey matter that looks out for others, alternates and options to emotional concerns alone ...

Bath wroth a whole chapter on concerns ... this was anis in old linguistics .. some believe an orphan ... but as amental attribute I provided a hommoe ... a common place for here to rest ... with all the fatty acids up there tis slippery domain!

Could this be why the brain-sol complex was renamed after a fish or fissure where things could recess?

It does well at connecting to other schools ...