Extrabiblical Evidence about Jesus in the First 2 Centuries

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Hold on just a tickety-boo here, waterfall. First, we'd have to establish that Luke is some sort of authority, OVER the other gospels, the other letters. Where are you getting this from?
 
BetteTheRed ---your quote ------Unsafe, that's just a dumb argument; use it for yourself, but don't share it, unless you wish to be mocked for no reason.

Was Jesus Mocked ---True Christians will be mocked and persecuted according to scripture by unbelievers -----this is what scripture says ---and here it comes again -----not the original right but again the English says it clear ------so it is no surprise to me that you make this comment ---unless you wish to be mocked for no reason.--------I expect to be mocked by unbelievers cause that is what Satan wants from his worldly followers and they of course do as their god wants -----just like I do what my God wants ---Love your enemies -------

2 Chronicles 36:16
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but they continually mocked the messengers of God, despised His words and scoffed at His prophets, until the wrath of the LORD arose against His people, until there was no remedy.
 
BetteTheRed said:
Hold on just a tickety-boo here, waterfall. First, we'd have to establish that Luke is some sort of authority, OVER the other gospels, the other letters. Where are you getting this from?
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I did not say, "over the other gospels", just that his historical accounts have proven to be accurate through archaeological discoveries.
 
blackbelt1961 said:
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Im not dissing your belief in any way, i been there and I understand you,
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Oh, so much, I very much doubt this. I am a cradle Christian, largely, who has believed what you have, completely abandoned it, then returned to a completely different vision of Christianity. You haven't read what I have, but I have heard and read much of what you have.
 
BetteTheRed said:
Oh, so much, I very much doubt this. I am a cradle Christian, largely, who has believed what you have, completely abandoned it, then returned to a completely different vision of Christianity. You haven't read what I have, but I have heard and read much of what you have.
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you would be mistaken on what you think I have read or havent read,
 
Waterfall said:
I did not say, "over the other gospels", just that his historical accounts have proven to be accurate through archaeological discoveries.
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Luke's accounts are more archaealogically accurate than other accounts? Do explain. In what way?

Just to start with, from the very beginning, there's all the leaping in wombs of the cousin, following which they describe a ludicrous "census". This is all theology, how a god is born...
 
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blackbelt1961 said:
you would be mistaken on what you think I have read or havent read,
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Perhaps, but you've had only 10 years as a Christian to do this reading in, I've got more than a half century of various literatures under my belt, so I'd wager my reading has been wider and more comprehensive than yours.
 
BetteTheRed said:
Perhaps, but you've had only 10 years as a Christian to do this reading in,
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10 study not just scripture, but philosophy , metaphysics, history ect, I grew up Catholic,


I've got more than a half century of various literatures under my belt, so I'd wager my reading has been wider and more comprehensive than yours.
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probably , but with out the Spirit like I said, you just have literature
 
BetteTheRed said:
Luke's accounts are more archaealogically accurate than other accounts? Do explain. In what way?

Just to start with, from the very beginning, there's all the leaping in wombs of the cousin, following which they describe a ludicrous "census". This is all theology, how a god is born...
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I will deal with "the census" because the other things you quote are not verifiable through archaeology and as far as I know they didn't have sonograms or ultrasound in those days. ;)

Luke says that the census was during Quirinius rule(Luke 2:2; Acts 5:3-7), there are these possibilities....the word used is protos which can be used to mean first or before, so the event may have taken place BEFORE the census. Or there were two Quirinius' or the SAME one was governor twice.

But then there is this: a coin that was found dated that mentions Quirinius as Syrian proconsol from 11BC- 4BC. So it seems he may have ruled twice or Luke was referring to the first Quirinius.

http://coldcasechristianity.com/201...ription-of-quirinius-historically-inaccurate/
 
The details about Jesus traditions in the Quran are largely borrowed from Christian infancy Gospels written from the mid-2nd to the mid-4th centuries. These infancy Gospels are universally viewed as mere fiction. In my view, this fact discredits Muslim claims that the Quran derives from Allah.
 
BetteTheRed said:
OK, but you do see the difference in credibility between an extra-biblical source, and the religion's own scriptures?;
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Personally, I place more stock in God's Word.

BetteTheRed said:
I don't think there's too much doubt that the prophet Mohammed existed, but what he claims in the Quran is a bit different.
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Okay.

BetteTheRed said:
And there's a much closer relationship between the Quran and Mohammed than there is between the New Testament and Jesus.
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Closer relationship in what way?
 
BetteTheRed said:
Unfortunately, the thread title promises evidence. There's some little evidence for the existence of a Jewish prophet named Jesus; no evidence exists for any of the miraculous claims made of him.
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Consider the naïveté or ignorance of mortals ...
and the concept that beyond this there must be a sign of wisdom ...
and thus the death of meis as mortals don't like to hear of far away icons ...
consider the isolation of the Easter thing ...
an ill, or an isle ...
form of evidence that's out there goan, or on the go? Far out people can play with such things ...
even if strange, peculiar happy of Gae'r than stele-like unrighteous sorts ...
phalis icons? Is that cloes to a Pall ine thorn in de booty ...
sometimes a shue-fey, or even considered sole as bottom NDs consideration ...

Things given the eternal stretch by eternal signs to create sunshine of the other kind ...
bete Noir or NoeL? ...
:) ... Mari ah is data ewe? That other lighter pool as O'Solo Mio ...
private immersion is possible ...
do it in a meadow in a wood as a dear favour to Shadowy voyeurs ...
eM under the trees? That hollow that retains light ...
is that B' lighter ...
as the following Master of weevils?

Just a little bit as kin and you can relate to loosing it ...
and thoughts go on somewhere ...
an enigma larger than sects that causes loss of such intangibles as thought aforehand ...
if you had a prior Q'loo ...
some didn't get these in the initiation ...
just profusely stunned by the experience of 1st birth ...
immersion in life away from the womb-Anna ...
sometimes compared to a wombat for trying to beat sense into an improbable bean ...
im prov'Able back hand or is that the noir of Yahn? Black sheepish thingy ... :ROFLMAO: confined by diverse Pan Tiyers?

Leads to corn laws and much unseen irony ... as the corn laws were good for hoo? Miasma ... tis like a foggy aria!
 
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Righteous icon of the fore bare Eire?

Before getting into it observe it from all angles ... possible six ... when into the 7th your donne ... nosh-ite! The gravid load was in the area of fal's ... or left the phalis ... as it was felt ... some say a false end as there may be Moor towit ... the continuum is barely scene in the present ... give it thyme ... Hur may wish A' Moor ... something to be proven by adherence ? That's the sticking point ... a spot to be in or a dot Eire in coded ...
 
blackbelt1961 said:
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Although there is "near universal consensus" among scholars that Jesus existed historically, biblical scholars differ about the beliefs and teachings of Jesus as well as the accuracy of the details of his life that have been described in the gospels.

what Christ taught is a matter of faith , I accept it on thous grounds, among others
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I agree.
 
Pr. Jae said:
Personally, I place more stock in God's Word.
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That's fine, Jae, because you're a Christian. But if you're not a Christian, then the use of the religion's sacred scriptures as evidence for your beliefs is circular.


Pr. Jae said:
Closer relationship in what way?
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Mohammed claims to have received the Quran via direct dictation from Allah/God. The New Testament is at least once removed from Jesus, in that he didn't write it or receive a dictation of it from Godde.
 
Waterfall said:
I will deal with "the census" because the other things you quote are not verifiable through archaeology and as far as I know they didn't have sonograms or ultrasound in those days. ;)

Luke says that the census was during Quirinius rule(Luke 2:2; Acts 5:3-7), there are these possibilities....the word used is protos which can be used to mean first or before, so the event may have taken place BEFORE the census. Or there were two Quirinius' or the SAME one was governor twice.

But then there is this: a coin that was found dated that mentions Quirinius as Syrian proconsol from 11BC- 4BC. So it seems he may have ruled twice or Luke was referring to the first Quirinius.

http://coldcasechristianity.com/201...ription-of-quirinius-historically-inaccurate/
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It's not Quirinius that's the problem. It's the census. Think about it, just for a second, waterfall. A census that required everyone in Judea to go to their father's birthplace? That's not a census, that's not how you take a census. A census is a snapshot of WHAT EXISTS RIGHT NOW, by definition. It's clearly a literary device necessary to get Jesus from where he was born, Nazareth, to where the gospel writer needed him to be born in order to fulfill Torah prophecies.
 
BetteTheRed said:
That's fine, Jae, because you're a Christian. But if you're not a Christian, then the use of the religion's sacred scriptures as evidence for your beliefs is circular.




Mohammed claims to have received the Quran via direct dictation from Allah/God. The New Testament is at least once removed from Jesus, in that he didn't write it or receive a dictation of it from Godde.
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Jesus is the Author of the Bible. All Scripture therein was God-breathed through human authors.
 
Was Jesus a Levite persona or a lighter social structure than what's support today in a dark sense of bet noire ?

Alas the extent of intangible in determinates as myth ... or otherwise toasted beyond recognition by some thinking deviate who was heated over naïveté ...

Is it possible to feel inside as sole deviate ... procto logistics ... adept of chit? Wear gaunts ... or gants ... or you will be au gauche ... gothic shadow .. searching out whats wrong with the following behind ... the inside story when dealing with guts is messy and loaded with hosts of microbiology ... wee things? is this intuitive?
 
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