Euthanasia in Canada, Supreme Court Ruled this Morning

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Kimmio said:
That's different. But what scares me is the idea that someone could be in mental/ emotional pain and presumably a doctor could agree to end their life. Or could decide physical pain is too much and give up too soon - why does a doctor get to help decide that?
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Once again Kimmo .... the Supreme Court has set a very high bar ... very high indeed....
The doctor cannot decide for the person and a person who has become incompetent cannot decide either
 
RitaTG said:
Having had family in such a position where this would alleviate so much suffering I support it.
Is is moral ...... I feel it is immoral to let a person suffer so terribly and not allow them relief.
This is not a slippery slope ..... the ruling is quite clear .....
Are we not able to deal with these things as sane and reasonable adults?
To avoid something because it is difficult and uncomfortable is in my opinion .... a cop out...
By the way .... we have already done this quietly for decades.
Have we not all seen a family anguish over "pulling the plug"?
Or the withdrawal of feeding etc and let a person starve to death?
Now to me ..... that is far more immoral.....
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Terminal illness (particularly in the very elderly) is different from chronic illness. I would hate to see people dying early and a few years from now there are better solutions.
 
And who are we Kimmo to decide what is "too much" for a person???
This is a very real and quickly upcoming quandary for our family.....
I am considering this ..... a few more increasingly miserable years for my loved one....
Or to let that dear soul go with dignity and peace when ready......
That is very real ......
 
Kimmio said:
Terminal illness (particularly in the very elderly) is different from chronic illness. I would hate to see people dying early and a few years from now there are better solutions.
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If they have made that decision, suffering for years while waiting for a better solution might not be worth that.
 
I am sorry for you and your loved one. I understand cases of terminal illness in a different light than chronic pain from non-fatal illnesses and conditions.


I sure hope if I or my loved one were ever feeling suicidal from mental or physical pain that wasn't terminal someone would talk us out of it!
 
Hugs ... thank you Kimmo .....
Consider this please ..... a person is destined for increasing pain and impairment....... a well traveled one way downward path.
Is that not terminal enough???
How soon does it have to kill you to be considered terminal????
I still say that the person going through this should have the say ..... the Supreme Court agrees ..... and has set some very well considered benchmarks.
Its about time.......
 
I think this might also open dialog which gives more options. If someone feels comfortable going to their doctor to discuss options to end their life, it may result in a discussion about other options. Pain medication that is harmful in the long run might not be the issue the doctor thought it was. Other treatment options seen as too risky might become an option.
 
RitaTG said:
Hugs ... thank you Kimmo .....
Consider this please ..... a person is destined for increasing pain and impairment....... a well traveled one way downward path.
Is that not terminal enough???
How soon does it have to kill you to be considered terminal????
I still say that the person going through this should have the say ..... the Supreme Court agrees ..... and has set some very well considered benchmarks.
Its about time.......
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We're all destined for increasing pain and impairment. I don't believe it's ours to decide when enough is enough unless it's terminal illness..
 
Kimmio said:
Doctors have way too much power.
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How is offering a patient another option giving a doctor too much power? Depending on the legislation instead of just buying some pills from the street, where the contents may be iffy, someone also has the option of going to their doctor. This isn't forcing them there.
 
Kimmio said:
We're all destined for increasing pain and impairment. I don't believe it's ours to decide when enough is enough unless it's terminal illness..
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What if it IS a terminal illness?
Why should your belief limit that option for someone else?
 
Kimmio said:
We're all destined for increasing pain and impairment. I don't believe it's ours to decide when enough is enough unless it's terminal illness..
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The good thing with this is that will remain your decision to make Kimmo.....
I may decide differently .... and that would be my belief and decision at that time.
Fair enough...
 
My (new) doctor told me today we all can expect our physical functioning to decline about 10% per decade. More unomfortable if you already have some chronic thing in the way - so we do what we can to mitigate but have to accept pain as part of life I think.
 
Kimmio said:
The point was his decision was about him not her. He might have thought it was about her - or tried to justify that to himself - but it wasn't.
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How do you know this? Did you have a seance with the daughter? You know more know that she was not suffering from very severe CP than your assertion he did it because he did not want to change diapers or whatever nonsense you ascribed to him. Just because you have CP does not mean that you talk for all people with CP who may have a totally different experience (just as I can't speak to the experiences of all people with depression, anxiety, ADHD or Tourette's).

For someone who has railed on in the last few days about walking in other people's shoes you certainly are casting judgement based on your own personal bias. Based on my recollection the treating physician in the Latimer case testified that the daughter was in a great deal of pain - so is it ok for her to suffer unbearably because all life has value?

Secondly - you went off half-cocked again about the "Bill" - there is no freakin' bill - yet. That will come and during that process there will be public consultation - you can ask for leave to discuss before the various committes, you can write your MP, a Minister, hold protests or write letters or what have you. And when this is pointed out you sluff it off - you did not have your facts right. Judges don't make laws or pass legislation - MPs and Senators do that.

I was trying to not respond but my blood boiled over and my fingers got busy. And this is probably way too personal.
 
Again Kimmo .... your beliefs and your personal decisions are not impacted by this ruling at all.
What I may decide would in no way infringe nor obligate you in any way...
Therefore you should not be any more able to make a decision for me (blocking the right for me to decide) than I should have to force you to have to do this against your will.
A very good and fair court decision.
 
Justme said:
And this is probably way too personal.
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Your post sounds pretty bang on to me. Making a decision to end one's life is pretty personal. Deciding that no one should have that right is butting in where one doesn't belong into situations where one doesn't have a good understanding.
 
Kimmio said:
My (new) doctor told me today we all can expect our physical functioning to decline about 10% per decade. More unomfortable if you already have some chronic thing in the way - so we do what we can to mitigate but have to accept pain as part of life I think.
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Suffering isn't just about pain.
 
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