Euthanasia in Canada, Supreme Court Ruled this Morning

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Justme said:
How do you know this? Did you have a seance with the daughter? You know more know that she was not suffering from very severe CP than your assertion he did it because he did not want to change diapers or whatever nonsense you ascribed to him. Just because you have CP does not mean that you talk for all people with CP who may have a totally different experience (just as I can't speak to the experiences of all people with depression, anxiety, ADHD or Tourette's).

For someone who has railed on in the last few days about walking in other people's shoes you certainly are casting judgement based on your own personal bias. Based on my recollection the treating physician in the Latimer case testified that the daughter was in a great deal of pain - so is it ok for her to suffer unbearably because all life has value?

Secondly - you went off half-cocked again about the "Bill" - there is no freakin' bill - yet. That will come and during that process there will be public consultation - you can ask for leave to discuss before the various committes, you can write your MP, a Minister, hold protests or write letters or what have you. And when this is pointed out you sluff it off - you did not have your facts right. Judges don't make laws or pass legislation - MPs and Senators do that.

I was trying to not respond but my blood boiled over and my fingers got busy. And this is probably way too personal.
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Because I stood with the disability community at the time, many of whom have severe physical disabilities who are fighting for their lives to be seen as worth something - equal, in fact, and Tracy Latiner was an 11 year old child with her own life. It wasn't Robert Latimer's life to live or to take.
 
Kimmo ..... this court decision in no way obligates nor puts in peril any of those that you are standing with.
Completely separate issues.
 
Kimmio said:
There is the bit about mental anguish as acceptable grounds.
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Again .........my case ..... my decision....
Your case ..... your decision....
Where is there a problem with that???
Why should you be anymore able to decide for me than I for you?
 
No. It makes it all the more sketchy. How can we advocate suicide awareness and stopping suicide and then turn around and support assisted suicide due to mental suffering. There's a flaw there.
 
RitaTG said:
Again .........my case ..... my decision....
Your case ..... your decision....
Where is there a problem with that???
Why should you be anymore able to decide for me than I for you?
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You can decide whatever you decide for your own life. I only hope nobody makes impulsive decisions that bring harm - the potential for that scares me. It's not mine to make. Can the doctor be expected weigh in on a fatal decision? I have a problem with giving them that power.
 
Kimmio said:
No. It makes it all the more sketchy. How can we advocate suicide awareness and stopping suicide and then turn around and support assisted suicide due to mental suffering. There's a flaw there.
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I'm having a tough time understanding you right now.
 
Kimmo ..... the doctor has no power in this at all.....
The bar set for what is a qualifying condition is extremely high.....
Until all the conditions are met the doctor cannot proceed.
Where you really want to focus your efforts is on how the new legislation that is now required is crafted.
The right is now firmly there and the benchmarks spelled out.
Your concerns are best addressed at the formulation stage for the legislation.
I would be willing to help you there.
 
Kimmio said:
It sets disability rights back. Re: if cases like Latimer ever come up again in light of this legislation.
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Good grief Kimmo ..... no it does not set back rights for those with disabilities.
The Latimer case .... a minor .... not able to make decisions at all .... clearly does not meet the benchmark of the court ruling.
Incompetent persons with disabilities regardless of age .... once again cannot meet the requirements set out by the court ruling.
No new dangers and no rights removed at all.....
Indeed if anything it simply adds another long overdue right.
 
Kimmio said:
The legislation mentions mental suffering as possible grounds for assisted suicide.
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I was responding to your post about having to accept pain as part of life though.

Do we have to accept, and live with all forms of suffering until our time comes up without doing anything to speed it up?
 
RitaTG said:
Again .........my case ..... my decision....
Your case ..... your decision....
Where is there a problem with that???
Why should you be anymore able to decide for me than I for you?
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As long as it's your case - your decision -- my case - my decision - I'm fine with that. I would absolutely fight against any proposal to have one person's case be another person's decision. Including if that another person is a doctor.
 
ChemGal said:
I was responding to your post about having to accept pain as part of life though.

Do we have to accept, and live with all forms of suffering until our time comes up without doing anything to speed it up?
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I think we have to accept suffering to a degree. That's life. There's this idea that you can't have a life worth living with pain - implicit in this legislation. If someone was in excruciating pain and bedridden with cancer and their time is close - I think that's different. I think the boundaries have to be clear.
 
Kimmio said:
I think we have to accept suffering to a degree. That's life. If someone was in excruciating pain and bedridden with cancer and their time is close - I think that's different. I think the boundaries have to be clear.
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But if someone is suffering just as much as that person with cancer, but there time isn't near, they need to ride it out?
Why is it ok to shorten suffering for a little bit, but not for a longer period?
 
Again I think of myself - I have already discussed passive euthanasia with my doctor and my clergy person - things like DNR, but also things like 'no feeding tube', if I reach the point that I am in danger of choking if I try to take food by mouth, and no chemo or radiation if I develop cancer. My biggest health problem at present is not extremely painful but if I developed a permanent terminal condition that was extremely painful I would want the physician to order enough pain medicine to relieve my suffering even if the dose would likely result in my death.

 
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