Neo
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FYI, this year we have the wheels in motion to build a wheel chair accessible cabin and outhouse at our scout camp on a local lake where I live.
Euthanasia in Canada, Supreme Court Ruled this Morning
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FYI, this year we have the wheels in motion to build a wheel chair accessible cabin and outhouse at our scout camp on a local lake where I live.
unsafe
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For those who might be intrested -----you decide for yourselves -----
http://biblehub.com/library/augustine/city_of_god/chapter_20_that_christians_have_no.htm
That Christians have no Authority for Committing Suicide in any Circumstances Whatever.
City of God — St. Augustine
It is not without significance, that in no passage of the holy canonical books there can be found either divine precept or permission to take away our own life, whether for the sake of entering on the enjoyment of immortality, or of shunning, or ridding ourselves of anything whatever. Nay, the law, rightly interpreted, even prohibits suicide, where it says, "Thou shalt not kill." This is proved especially by the omission of the words "thy neighbor," which are inserted when false witness is forbidden: "Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor." Nor yet should any one on this account suppose he has not broken this commandment if he has borne false witness only against himself. For the love of our neighbor is regulated by the love of ourselves, as it is written, "Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself." If, then, he who makes false statements about himself is not less guilty of bearing false witness than if he had made them to the injury of his neighbor; although in the commandment prohibiting false witness only his neighbor is mentioned, and persons taking no pains to understand it might suppose that a man was allowed to be a false witness to his own hurt; how much greater reason have we to understand that a man may not kill himself, since in the commandment, "Thou shalt not kill," there is no limitation added nor any exception made in favor of any one, and least of all in favor of him on whom the command is laid! And so some attempt to extend this command even to beasts and cattle, as if it forbade us to take life from any creature. But if so, why not extend it also to the plants, and all that is rooted in and nourished by the earth? For though this class of creatures have no sensation, yet they also are said to live, and consequently they can die; and therefore, if violence be done them, can be killed. So, too, the apostle, when speaking of the seeds of such things as these, says, "That which thou sowest is not quickened except it die;" and in the Psalm it is said, "He killed their vines with hail." Must we therefore reckon it a breaking of this commandment, "Thou shalt not kill," to pull a flower? Are we thus insanely to countenance the foolish error of the Manichæans? Putting aside, then, these ravings, if, when we say, Thou shalt not kill, we do not understand this of the plants, since they have no sensation, nor of the irrational animals that fly, swim, walk, or creep, since they are dissociated from us by their want of reason, and are therefore by the just appointment of the Creator subjected to us to kill or keep alive for our own uses; if so, then it remains that we understand that commandment simply of man. The commandment is, "Thou shall not kill man;" therefore neither another nor yourself, for he who kills himself still kills nothing else than man.
http://biblehub.com/library/augustine/city_of_god/chapter_20_that_christians_have_no.htm
That Christians have no Authority for Committing Suicide in any Circumstances Whatever.
City of God — St. Augustine
It is not without significance, that in no passage of the holy canonical books there can be found either divine precept or permission to take away our own life, whether for the sake of entering on the enjoyment of immortality, or of shunning, or ridding ourselves of anything whatever. Nay, the law, rightly interpreted, even prohibits suicide, where it says, "Thou shalt not kill." This is proved especially by the omission of the words "thy neighbor," which are inserted when false witness is forbidden: "Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor." Nor yet should any one on this account suppose he has not broken this commandment if he has borne false witness only against himself. For the love of our neighbor is regulated by the love of ourselves, as it is written, "Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself." If, then, he who makes false statements about himself is not less guilty of bearing false witness than if he had made them to the injury of his neighbor; although in the commandment prohibiting false witness only his neighbor is mentioned, and persons taking no pains to understand it might suppose that a man was allowed to be a false witness to his own hurt; how much greater reason have we to understand that a man may not kill himself, since in the commandment, "Thou shalt not kill," there is no limitation added nor any exception made in favor of any one, and least of all in favor of him on whom the command is laid! And so some attempt to extend this command even to beasts and cattle, as if it forbade us to take life from any creature. But if so, why not extend it also to the plants, and all that is rooted in and nourished by the earth? For though this class of creatures have no sensation, yet they also are said to live, and consequently they can die; and therefore, if violence be done them, can be killed. So, too, the apostle, when speaking of the seeds of such things as these, says, "That which thou sowest is not quickened except it die;" and in the Psalm it is said, "He killed their vines with hail." Must we therefore reckon it a breaking of this commandment, "Thou shalt not kill," to pull a flower? Are we thus insanely to countenance the foolish error of the Manichæans? Putting aside, then, these ravings, if, when we say, Thou shalt not kill, we do not understand this of the plants, since they have no sensation, nor of the irrational animals that fly, swim, walk, or creep, since they are dissociated from us by their want of reason, and are therefore by the just appointment of the Creator subjected to us to kill or keep alive for our own uses; if so, then it remains that we understand that commandment simply of man. The commandment is, "Thou shall not kill man;" therefore neither another nor yourself, for he who kills himself still kills nothing else than man.
Neo
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"Thou shall not kill", unless you are God.
Ritafee
Is Being Human
Salaries of Judges in Canada
Judges who currently earn about $260,000 a year, tried to give themselves an 18% increase effective 2011. A Toronto Star survey reported that most judges earned far less as lawyers. In other words, the worst lawyers are the ones who tend to become judges because they cannot earn a living as lawyers.
Judges are the highest paid professional group in Canada. They earn more than doctors, dentists, or even stock brokers. They have given themself power to set their own salaries and nothing can effectively reverse their decisions.
Currently Ontario Superior Court judges earn about $216,000.00 a year and cannot be fired. Ontario Provincial Court Judges now earning about $170.000.00 a year are seeking to have that raised to $206,000 a year.
Being appointed a judge is the equivalant of being appointed an instant millionaire. It is much better than being appointed to the Senate. They also set their own salaries. They judge themselves. They complain about how hard done by they are in their job. The rest of us should be so lucky.
The Judicial Compensation and Benefits Commission makes recommendations to the Minister of Justice on issues of salary, benefits and other compensation matters of federally annointed judges.
There are some 2300 judges in Canada all together. That gives us roughly one judge for every 20 lawyers, so why are the courts so back logged? Is it more because judges work half days? They start at 10:00 in the morning. Take a half hour break around 11:30 and a 2 hour lunch and quit around 4:00PM.
This table charts the current judicial salary levels for federally appointed judges.
As of April 1, 2014
Supreme Court of Canada
Chief Justice $386,700
Justice $358,000
Federal Courts & Tax Court
Chief Justice and Associate Chief Justice $329,900 + $2,000 (additional allowance for Federal & Tax Court Judges only)
Justice $300,800 + $2,000 (additional allowance for Federal & Tax Court Judges only)
Appeal, Superior, Supreme, Queen's Bench
Chief Justice and Associate Chief Justice $329,900
Justice $300,800
Yukon, Northwest Territories, Nunavut
Senior Judge $329,900 + $12,000 (Northern Allowance)
Justices resident in Yukon, Northwest Territories and Nunavut $300,800 + $12,000 (Northern Allowance)
Labrador
Justice resident in Labrador $300,800 + $12,000 (Northern Allowance)
Insurance
Disability Insurance
Disability insurance as such is not required, since the judge's income is protected against the risk of disability either by obtaining a leave of absence with full salary or by resigning on grounds of ill health with full pension.
Judges who currently earn about $260,000 a year, tried to give themselves an 18% increase effective 2011. A Toronto Star survey reported that most judges earned far less as lawyers. In other words, the worst lawyers are the ones who tend to become judges because they cannot earn a living as lawyers.
Judges are the highest paid professional group in Canada. They earn more than doctors, dentists, or even stock brokers. They have given themself power to set their own salaries and nothing can effectively reverse their decisions.
Currently Ontario Superior Court judges earn about $216,000.00 a year and cannot be fired. Ontario Provincial Court Judges now earning about $170.000.00 a year are seeking to have that raised to $206,000 a year.
Being appointed a judge is the equivalant of being appointed an instant millionaire. It is much better than being appointed to the Senate. They also set their own salaries. They judge themselves. They complain about how hard done by they are in their job. The rest of us should be so lucky.
The Judicial Compensation and Benefits Commission makes recommendations to the Minister of Justice on issues of salary, benefits and other compensation matters of federally annointed judges.There are some 2300 judges in Canada all together. That gives us roughly one judge for every 20 lawyers, so why are the courts so back logged? Is it more because judges work half days? They start at 10:00 in the morning. Take a half hour break around 11:30 and a 2 hour lunch and quit around 4:00PM.
This table charts the current judicial salary levels for federally appointed judges.
As of April 1, 2014
Supreme Court of Canada
Chief Justice $386,700
Justice $358,000
Federal Courts & Tax Court
Chief Justice and Associate Chief Justice $329,900 + $2,000 (additional allowance for Federal & Tax Court Judges only)
Justice $300,800 + $2,000 (additional allowance for Federal & Tax Court Judges only)
Appeal, Superior, Supreme, Queen's Bench
Chief Justice and Associate Chief Justice $329,900
Justice $300,800
Yukon, Northwest Territories, Nunavut
Senior Judge $329,900 + $12,000 (Northern Allowance)
Justices resident in Yukon, Northwest Territories and Nunavut $300,800 + $12,000 (Northern Allowance)
Labrador
Justice resident in Labrador $300,800 + $12,000 (Northern Allowance)
Insurance
Disability Insurance
Disability insurance as such is not required, since the judge's income is protected against the risk of disability either by obtaining a leave of absence with full salary or by resigning on grounds of ill health with full pension.
RitaTG
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unsafe .... once again such a primitive and restrictive interpretation
"thou shalt not kill" ... more accurately "thou shalt not murder" ......
This is not murder at all ..... not even close.....
Should it be my loved one suffering terribly and my loved one wants to end their suffering I will be there to give them my blessing, love, and support.
As for those that would condemn my loved one ..... I will be standing at the door to protect and keep them out.
The authority does not lie with them or even with me. The authority belongs solely to my loved one.
Your post shows so very much what is wrong with what passes as present day christianity and I am embarrassed by it.
"thou shalt not kill" ... more accurately "thou shalt not murder" ......
This is not murder at all ..... not even close.....
Should it be my loved one suffering terribly and my loved one wants to end their suffering I will be there to give them my blessing, love, and support.
As for those that would condemn my loved one ..... I will be standing at the door to protect and keep them out.
The authority does not lie with them or even with me. The authority belongs solely to my loved one.
Your post shows so very much what is wrong with what passes as present day christianity and I am embarrassed by it.
Ritafee
Is Being Human
How is this off topic or conspiracy ?
Neo
Well-Known Member
And this is the crux of "dying with dignity". It is not murder, it is an act of love. And one that doesn't come lightly or without pain on those who need to assist in the act.
Perhaps, if assisted suicide is looked on as a great sin, then perhaps we shouldn't even attempt to prolong life in the first place. We have the potential to prolong life (almost) indefinitely. Where do we draw the line and pull the plug?
blackbelt1961
Well-Known Member
[QUOTE="unsafe, post: 41356, member: 117"For those who might be intrested -----you decide for yourselves -----
http://biblehub.com/library/augustine/city_of_god/chapter_20_that_christians_have_no.htm
That Christians have no Authority for Committing Suicide in any Circumstances Whatever.
City of God — St. Augustine
[/QUOTE]
just like physical illness , mental illness usually accounts for like hmmmm 100% of the time, so when Augustine wrote that he had no understanding of this disease
http://biblehub.com/library/augustine/city_of_god/chapter_20_that_christians_have_no.htm
That Christians have no Authority for Committing Suicide in any Circumstances Whatever.
City of God — St. Augustine
[/QUOTE]
just like physical illness , mental illness usually accounts for like hmmmm 100% of the time, so when Augustine wrote that he had no understanding of this disease
RitaTG
Well-Known Member
Really????? .... can you not see how this is off topic?????
Please ..... the thread is about the euthanasia ruling ..... not at all about the judges.....
The ruling is a good and just one .....
As someone pointed out, assisted suicide, rather than euthanasia which is when someone else decides. Except hopefully nobody will be influenced into it - especially vulnerable people - as I have said umpteen times in a thousand ways.
Ritafee
Is Being Human
@RitaTG you said
"Should it be my loved one suffering terribly and my loved one wants to end their suffering I will be there to give them my blessing, love, and support.
As for those that would condemn my loved one ..... I will be standing at the door to protect and keep them out.
The authority does not lie with them or even with me. The authority belongs solely to my loved one."
So what you are in effect saying is the decision of the Supreme Court is irrelevant when it comes to authority on whether you or your loved ones choose to suffer or choose to end suffering.
"Should it be my loved one suffering terribly and my loved one wants to end their suffering I will be there to give them my blessing, love, and support.
As for those that would condemn my loved one ..... I will be standing at the door to protect and keep them out.
The authority does not lie with them or even with me. The authority belongs solely to my loved one."
So what you are in effect saying is the decision of the Supreme Court is irrelevant when it comes to authority on whether you or your loved ones choose to suffer or choose to end suffering.
chansen
Had a point all along
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- He/Him/His
I'm proud to say that I've mostly stayed out of this one. It hit too close to home for me. There were times I wondered if it would not have been better if Carter just passed away that first night. When he was lying in a hospital bed, his muscles contracting painfully for no reason, crying if he wasn't perpetually sedated, and requiring easily habit-forming levels of sedatives that took us months to wean him off.
But he kept on. He had a lot to live for, including possible medical breakthroughs. He still had his sense of humour about him. Mostly, he was young, and he was loved, and he knew that.
I'm with DaisyJane on everything she wrote, and find her to continue to be one of the most thoughtful spokespeople for individuals with disabilities that I've ever known.
I agree with this decision, and to some, that seems to make me a euthanasia enthusiast. I can't explain my disgust with these comments any better than people who have posted before me, so I'll stop there.
Kimmio, I do want to say that you do not speak for all people with disabilities, or, I'd bet, even the majority. So you can quote some association. Anyone can create an association. And, you continue to let your emotions rule, making yourself and your arguments look worse than they are. Never pick up an argument on my behalf. If you ever do agree with me, please do not try to help.
But he kept on. He had a lot to live for, including possible medical breakthroughs. He still had his sense of humour about him. Mostly, he was young, and he was loved, and he knew that.
I'm with DaisyJane on everything she wrote, and find her to continue to be one of the most thoughtful spokespeople for individuals with disabilities that I've ever known.
I agree with this decision, and to some, that seems to make me a euthanasia enthusiast. I can't explain my disgust with these comments any better than people who have posted before me, so I'll stop there.
Kimmio, I do want to say that you do not speak for all people with disabilities, or, I'd bet, even the majority. So you can quote some association. Anyone can create an association. And, you continue to let your emotions rule, making yourself and your arguments look worse than they are. Never pick up an argument on my behalf. If you ever do agree with me, please do not try to help.
Ritafee
Is Being Human
Same for me and probably the majority of the Canadian people ...
yes how gratifying ... and it only took 22 years?
Wonder how long it will yet take for them to define poverty for us so they can catch up on rectifying that situation.
blackbelt1961
Well-Known Member
RitaTG
Well-Known Member
Indeed..... yes indeed.....