Pinga
Room for All
I'm not sure where you get this information. I know very few people who have not been touched by disability issues either directly by an immediate family member or through friend or coworkers.
Euthanasia in Canada, Supreme Court Ruled this Morning
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I'm not sure where you get this information. I know very few people who have not been touched by disability issues either directly by an immediate family member or through friend or coworkers.
DaisyJane
I probably should be working.
Kimmio.
What I think could be very good about this decision is that it really forces people to be very clear about what constitutes suffering. Yes. In some cases this means that people can decide that severe disability equals suffering. However, what is important to remember, is that this decision allows people to also state, clearly and emphatically, that having a disability does not, for them, equal suffering. As I said in my opening post, this decision could actually lead to very helpful conversions about what constitutes suffering, and forcing people to make clear distinctions between disability and suffering.
What I think could be very good about this decision is that it really forces people to be very clear about what constitutes suffering. Yes. In some cases this means that people can decide that severe disability equals suffering. However, what is important to remember, is that this decision allows people to also state, clearly and emphatically, that having a disability does not, for them, equal suffering. As I said in my opening post, this decision could actually lead to very helpful conversions about what constitutes suffering, and forcing people to make clear distinctions between disability and suffering.
blackbelt1961
Well-Known Member
I never realized what a hot topic this really is, I think the Government has its hands full with coming out with a bill good enough to pass
Tabitha
journeying
I have a friend-D-He broke his back in his late teens. Walked with a cane until 30-then became full time wheelchair user.
His reaction that he posted on Facebook was in favour of the law and he personally felt that it was not going to affect him or others with disabilities (he actually used much stronger language)
Obviously his view is much different than yours.
He lives in a subsidized apartment building where all tenants have a disability.
His reaction that he posted on Facebook was in favour of the law and he personally felt that it was not going to affect him or others with disabilities (he actually used much stronger language)
Obviously his view is much different than yours.
He lives in a subsidized apartment building where all tenants have a disability.
That's his view. More PWDs disagree than agree. One person "has a friend who" and then everyone is satisfied that PWD concerns are met. That's typical. I have been blasted for it in discussing other topics. Meanwhile unified disability rights groups exist for a reason to be a unified voice and raise concerns based on research and collective experience (in the past earlier days of the movement reason was pushing for independent community living like where your friend lives - the same rights groups against this decision ironically were responsible for the fact that there is independent living now).
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Issues as per the disability rights movement and disability studies are off your radar.
Pinga
Room for All
Again, I ask, where do you get your information. You have no idea who I am, or who is in my world, or what I know. I may not agree with your viewpoints, but that does not mean that movements or proposals are off my radar.
Kimmio -- quit presuming and making judgement calls about my life or knowledge, please.
Pinga your area of knowledge is not disability studies or the disability rights movement. That is true of most people. Unlike, people's knowledge of civil rights or LGBT rights. That's a reality that disability rights groups are still battling too.
Pinga
Room for All
I remind you to look at what you said about disability issues don't even reach the average persons consciousness.
I call bulls**t
Everyone's heard of the civil rights movement, LGBT movement. Lots of people don't even know the history of the disability rights movement or that there even is one or that there is an area of academic study supporting it - they are quite happy to embrace the positive accessibility outcomes in the physical world - which is great for everyone - but that is not full equality and inclusion - and are still not aware of the social struggles that still exist that impede equality. And when pointed out, don't aknowledge their validity as per the mainstream able bodied view. Perhaps, because people with disabilities are still the most disadvantaged "group" in society their voice has taken longer to even begin to reach the foreground. It's not, then, too surprising that people don't want to hear it.
Or, what if aspects of living in Canadian society with a disability at this point in time do constitute suffering (I.e. socioeconomic struggles, poverty, isolation - homeless with severe mental illness - that's suffering) that isn't so easy to medically 'diagnose' cart blanche for a whole demographic and yet, could get confounded with diagnoses like depression in people who accept suffering but want to live anyway and try to overcome ? I am afraid for people who may be influenced to accept that they're better of dead than helped.
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We need to create a more inclusive society...I agree. But what you might not know is that in 2010 Canada ratified the UN Convention on the rights of Persons with Disabilities. A momentous occassion. Other countries like UK, Australia, New Zealand and France have done the same. The difference with us is that one of the stipulations of the convention is having an independent human rights commission to monitor progress, address concerns and make recommendations. We did not appoint one as other countries did. It may seem of little consequence, but it could be why these rights groups got little airtime with their concerns about this issue as it got hotter - and therefore hardly seems relevant to many. What Canada has done is focused our efforts on employment of people with disabilities (not income level or standard of living or ensuring human rights standards can be actually met in workplaces or fought if they are not - we're being used to fill undesirable gaps or struggle with able-bodied norms) and not much to other concerns around equality and inclusion. So you wonder why people like me and the rights groups are afraid?
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Poverty, disability and the antonyms of poverty of above average emotions and desires can diminish the needs of "the other" ... leading to conflicts of emotional-intelligent factors ... the greatest factor being the condition of the general human psyche. This appears to deteriorate as a 1000 or so of the richest personages try and figure out how to eliminate the other 7 billion. We thank creation the hie*rupts will blow their kohl (shadow) before they'll understand the statistics of the paradigm --- John Nash.
In average consciousness what does religion prescribe that the average person know? Is this scattered bull as fecund seed of thought ... that the flighty emotions in their aggressive states miss altogether .. as they can get a grip?
You can't say this in a simple way due to Occam's Theory that complexity is beyond (myth?) of simple emotional and aggressive type ... a character that all persons sharing the human psyche are unaware of as un-conscious ... that differs from the subconscious ... as thought in the one is different in a broad statement in a tome ... for those that go by the rule of the book without any gift of dissemination of time, place and the levity of the situation as seen by fringe personalities (outside the body of the church). This could simulate a PEW or odour of fair mon's of all that is when S/heh/it observes what mortals have done this time around!
Around? That's like wend space ... warped so it can come back at yah spherically as in the well rounded soul! My phat Buddha who understands Phoenician A ... the forerunner of phonetics, or how to say things dip loo matti call-y so as to project a system to separate the absolutes from the abstracts ... thus the fallout and infallibles IDes!
In average consciousness what does religion prescribe that the average person know? Is this scattered bull as fecund seed of thought ... that the flighty emotions in their aggressive states miss altogether .. as they can get a grip?
You can't say this in a simple way due to Occam's Theory that complexity is beyond (myth?) of simple emotional and aggressive type ... a character that all persons sharing the human psyche are unaware of as un-conscious ... that differs from the subconscious ... as thought in the one is different in a broad statement in a tome ... for those that go by the rule of the book without any gift of dissemination of time, place and the levity of the situation as seen by fringe personalities (outside the body of the church). This could simulate a PEW or odour of fair mon's of all that is when S/heh/it observes what mortals have done this time around!
Around? That's like wend space ... warped so it can come back at yah spherically as in the well rounded soul! My phat Buddha who understands Phoenician A ... the forerunner of phonetics, or how to say things dip loo matti call-y so as to project a system to separate the absolutes from the abstracts ... thus the fallout and infallibles IDes!
Holy cow - can you prove this assumption of yours? I would argue that people are way more accepting of PWD than LGBTQA issues (although I don't have stats to back that up) I just look at my church - no one complained that we fundraised for an elevator so that people with mobility impairments could attend all aspects of the church but it is going to take us two years to become an affirming church. A local bank remodelled and people with mobility impairments are having a problem getting inside - it made both local newscasts and prompted a letter-writing campaign. We have Bell Let's Talk day - I think that there would be very few people who have cable who couldn't tell you what it was about. Look at all the news coverage about people with PTSD. People with invisible disabilities do still face barriers and stigma as do people with visible disabilities but to say that disability issues are less on people's radar than LGBTQA issues is delusional. We have to work on getting things changed but making outlandish assertions actually sets back the movement (although my comments probably don't matter because I don't meet your criteria for being disabled).
No doubt accessibility has improved. Perhaps masking some of the human rights issues still unseen like massive unemployment and underemployment and disproportional poverty still - and cuts to access to human rights tribunals, and court challenges for equality groups. I swear to you I did not just make this up.
I never said "you don't meet my criteria for being disabled" if anything all I pointed out was that we do not have quite the same understanding of the issues.
Kimmio,
If you can't impress the hard points ... baffle "M" with flying dark intelligence ... generally misunderstood words to those emotional about not knowing average chit ... they believe is bull! Why the unseen powers gave us word in dark form ... sort of inky ... rinky, dinky stuff to the authority
Reminds me of that 1st verse in Len Cohen's HallelooJah ... with the baffling of the lord. Question is how does one approach the enigma of unravelling a person who's lost in that situation ... mostly in the dark about statistics on the paradigm ... the average ass that supports aggressiveness especially when they can't really relate to hindered people ... that are often oppressed by the physical wealth of "the other."
Of course the other is totally dependant on whether you are the subject or object of common wealth, once known as hommoeho pathe ... common path to learning beta ... it being a hopping path ... or quantum fiels like the mind ... indeterminate in an emotional domain. One has to get beyond average to observe it from the dark ... that oilll things with the glazed look with a sparkle!
The glazed look may be because of what is transpired on the other side of the real view ... if you can imagine! That is akin to abstraction ... a dark power of druids ... the early Anglo-Saxons also despised thinkers ... this is our history of the opposing conflicts ... odd ... but alt roué -ist-ihc. A population operating under a different law ... completely unnatural as compared to emotional process ... could be a dark thought! Together they generate grey manna ... bred fruit of thought often considered to be bred in ... and thus internalized theo sophy's ... internalized spatially?
If you can't impress the hard points ... baffle "M" with flying dark intelligence ... generally misunderstood words to those emotional about not knowing average chit ... they believe is bull! Why the unseen powers gave us word in dark form ... sort of inky ... rinky, dinky stuff to the authority
Reminds me of that 1st verse in Len Cohen's HallelooJah ... with the baffling of the lord. Question is how does one approach the enigma of unravelling a person who's lost in that situation ... mostly in the dark about statistics on the paradigm ... the average ass that supports aggressiveness especially when they can't really relate to hindered people ... that are often oppressed by the physical wealth of "the other."
Of course the other is totally dependant on whether you are the subject or object of common wealth, once known as hommoeho pathe ... common path to learning beta ... it being a hopping path ... or quantum fiels like the mind ... indeterminate in an emotional domain. One has to get beyond average to observe it from the dark ... that oilll things with the glazed look with a sparkle!
The glazed look may be because of what is transpired on the other side of the real view ... if you can imagine! That is akin to abstraction ... a dark power of druids ... the early Anglo-Saxons also despised thinkers ... this is our history of the opposing conflicts ... odd ... but alt roué -ist-ihc. A population operating under a different law ... completely unnatural as compared to emotional process ... could be a dark thought! Together they generate grey manna ... bred fruit of thought often considered to be bred in ... and thus internalized theo sophy's ... internalized spatially?
Actually you just proved that disability rights are on people's radar - it's being covered in the mainstream press. I didn't say that everything is a bed of roses for PWD because I know from my own experience and from that of my cohorts that it is not. This does not mean that the issue is not on people's radar - it means that we need to improve understanding and ask specifically for things to help us and not just talk about how things are unfair - the people in the second article you posted are doing just that. I have seen very little about the challenges faced by LGBTQA in various aspects of their lives. This is what I am trying to do.
And you basically said that my experience didn't count because it did not reflect your reality. I have said that I am very fortunate compared to my cohorts but that doesn't mean I understand their issues less.
And you basically said that my experience didn't count because it did not reflect your reality. I have said that I am very fortunate compared to my cohorts but that doesn't mean I understand their issues less.