estranged family members

[Luce NDs]

Does that mean if I discover I am gay and start dating men, I can be ex-straight?

Now there's a Swerve that can amuse the gods as being in a constant state of emotional out ther'd ness (reaction to anger, fear and jealousy) as all the lower mental cases fell to the devil who collected what was lost from above ... as castings ... or scat from Scootland according to the Eglish representative o higher caste madness ...

The stoic revere such eunuch power of put down of those improperly eliminated from eternity ... thus the devil may be accrued thought. I don't know as the church tells me knowledge is evil and lady wisdom is a street wench (Ecclesiastes) Jez a' Belle? As a dead ringer on the other wing ... or a Shadow of the a' fore said? And as the Monk once said the word was redacted from celibate to celebrate ... this of course lost in the depths of the Ka Stele ... the gods in and the demons out ... cultivating for all their worth in a feud al social state ......

 

[RitaTG]

Mendalla, a person can live and live well without expressing themselves sexually. Jesus went his whole life long without ever having sex. I myself lived a rich celibate life until I was 44, and would have contentedly continued to do so if it had been God's will. Surely you don't mean to suggest that gays and lesbians can't have as much resolve as I did.

Maybe then you can explain 1 Corinthians 7:9 please Pastor Jae???

 

[RitaTG]

Yes, in this day and age if someone comes out as gay or bi or trans, that's fine. But for me to come out as having been celibate til marriage - shocking!

The "craziness" of saving sex til marriage - http://blogs.thegospelcoalition.org...and-the-craziness-of-saving-sex-for-marriage/

No Jae .... your being celibate until married is not shocking at all.... nor is it of any concern at all.
There is something shocking .... and it is not that at all.
Your deviating and suggesting that coming out as gay, bi, or trans is fine is an untruth and I prefer that you don't tray and run and hide behind my skirts so to speak.
Perhaps trying walking in my shoes for a week or so..

 

[Luce NDs]

I am used to being abhorrent ......
I am used to being treated like a leper when I am not.....
I am used to the "not in my church" and "we are praying for you" attitudes and statements.
It hurts ... it hurts a lot ......
If this is really what God is about and what God is like then like Bishop Desmond Tutu ..... I do not want to go to that heaven.

Does that fit the dictionary definition of manifest? Consider manifest destinies then being something that appears not ... and dark is a non hue? You can't see it except by contrast in the glory of vision ... ain't it a booty to see ...? Like a kic kin the R's ...

Godasa word is more phun than an angry, jealous god that believes all passions are incoming ... that would cause disturbances in the calm-Eire pool ... thus that outward blip ... leaving A'hole in space ...

 

[Luce NDs]

Maybe then you can explain 1 Corinthians 7:9 please Pastor Jae???

Jesus never had intercourse with anyone in a metaphysical state of mind where the word flies? Now that's odd ... or perhaps the silent one is Gae having a sense of peace from the throat jamming activity ...

There is a ballad that said silence grows like a cancer ... a mind creative calm after the emotional storming? Could we label that calm passion as additional redaction and creative rendering .. of what is incarnate (manifest allegory)? The leg inside the veil syndrome ... a leg aura ye? And wisdom is just Piscine ... sort of like ichthyic ... bringing something on stage to fog your Clair's Eire attributes?

 

[revjohn]

Yes, in this day and age if someone comes out as gay or bi or trans, that's fine. But for me to come out as having been celibate til marriage - shocking!

Biblically speaking everyone is celibate until marriage. Biblically speaking marriage is the act of cleaving one to another which is why early, biblical punishments for raping virgins was to be married to them or, if that was not an option, paying the brideprice and assuming that the damaged goods would never be married to anyone ever.

Biblically speaking anyone who is not with whomever they lost their virginity to is guilty of adultery. And if you lose your virginity to someone who lost their virginity to someone else and is not a widow you have, biblically speaking, committed adultery.

It would be difficult, biblically speaking, to say that Jesus was misinformed when he said,

“It has been said, ‘Anyone who divorces his wife must give her a certificate of divorce.’
But I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, makes her the victim of adultery, and anyone who marries a divorced woman commits adultery.

If there is anyone in the thread who holds to those biblical norms I don't know. So I don't know which participants, biblically speaking, have not committed adultery.

If scripture can be trusted God finds adultery abhorrent.

I will be somewhat presumptuous and suggest that biblically speaking most of us may fall under the biblical definition of adulterer.

The question now becomes "Do we hope for God to exercise mercy in respect to our sin of adultery or, do we hope for God to exercise justice in respect to our sin of adultery?"

Speaking personally I always hope for mercy even though I know my sinful deeds have earned me death and God may justly pay me that wage.

Which turns me to the parable of the unmerciful servant. If I appeal to mercy and am granted mercy is there any peril to denying mercy to others who ask it from me?

Biblically speaking.

Apparently we are to be judged as we judge others so any absence of mercy on our part is an invitation to God to show us none.

Is that really an invitation we want to hand out?

 

[Luce NDs]

Thus adult*ration is a difficult water to deal with if caught at it by others ... thus in pas times such sects were undercover and in the vale in tine (sacred) organization as preserved for the family breeding in the western monarchist inbreeding ... just to keep the bloodline pure regardless of the findings of varied husbandry ...

Some deviation of the gene pool appears advantages to incest. You couldn't state this in the middle ages due to the prominent behaviour in the upper courses of society! In redaction this caused some interesting mutational defects ...

Even today it is common but not spoken of ... even the fathers when caught will appear surprized and sorry for what performance was observed ... when uncovered!

Some find this rye bald offensive behaviour distasteful ... even then desires drive some offenders over the edge without wisdom of oncoming consequences that they believe unseen ...

 

[Luce NDs]

Can you imagine some subversively sharp (whetted) person making this into like wise satyrs?

These would be opposed by the godly emotional ranting's, raving's and out bust in behaviours like drunks on the line or at the bar that they perceive as something to get loaded enough to fall over ...

Sobeit! You can bet some nibbles wile come on heavy ...

 

[Jaebius]

Kinda sounds like a double standard Jae.......
I don't know about you .... but as far as this is concerned I am never off the clock

I was unaware that you're a pastor.

 

[Jaebius]

Sounds like conform or we shun ......
Discipline .... Lets rewrite a well known Christian song a bit .... sing along if you know the tune
Make them more like me ...oh Jesus make them more like me
Give them a heart that obeys me ... yes make them obey me

Actually RitaTG, what I want as a Christian leader is for them to follow me as we together obey God and seek his grace.

 

[RitaTG]

I was unaware that you're a pastor.

And in the context of the discussion why would that matter Jae?
So ... as a pastor you are obliged to be nice and when off the clock you can do otherwise????
I am very bewildered and uncomfortable with such a notion.

 

[RitaTG]

Actually RitaTG, what I want as a Christian leader is for them to follow me as we together obey God and seek his grace.

Then I would suggest you be very very careful about what you really know and understand.
Grace is unmerited favour ..... grace seeks me .... not the other way around.
Maybe we should all be obeying God as we understand it instead of metaphorically whipping someone with shunning to make them conform to our version of what and how to obey.

 

[Jaebius]

And in the context of the discussion why would that matter Jae?
So ... as a pastor you are obliged to be nice and when off the clock you can do otherwise????
I am very bewildered and uncomfortable with such a notion.

That isn't what I said RitaTG. On the clock, I'm a person. Off of it, I'm an individual.

 

[RitaTG]

That isn't what I said RitaTG. On the clock, I'm a person. Off of it, I'm an individual.

Now that is bewildering .............
I am the very same person in all situations.

 

[Jaebius]

Then I would suggest you be very very careful about what you really know and understand.
Grace is unmerited favour ..... grace seeks me .... not the other way around.
Maybe we should all be obeying God as we understand it instead of metaphorically whipping someone with shunning to make them conform to our version of what and how to obey.

We seek God's grace by following his Law in reading his Word and participating in Baptism and the Lord's Supper.

 

[Mendalla]

That isn't what I said RitaTG. On the clock, I'm a pastor person. Off of it, I'm an individual.

Fixed your, I think, typo.

I think you'll find that a lot of parishioners expect otherwise, amigo. They expect the minister/pastor to behave in accordance with their church's values all the time. It is not a 9-5 job done for a paycheque, but a calling to service that includes expectations around one's personal values. Yes, you are not doing the work of the church 24 hours a day, but embodying the church's values in your private life isn't part of that work, it is a qualification for the job.

 

[Luce NDs]

Would an eternal god be something to avoid as a potential of excess rantings, emotional explosions and possibility of destruction of mankind as a manifestation of the seven deadly sins ... while the opposite point of 7 virtues may be more supportive from a sublime position?

Isn't that an 'eL 've an incarnation ... as metaphorical parallel to manifestation. Just to bury a man in a pile a god as word that is po'lyre understood each day that passes due to retreat from learning processes ...

Life is just too confortable for mankind to learn much ... unless in an oppressed position ... so Wack e'Mollie ...

Perhaps you don't understand the old expression Mollie? When the obscure opens up!

 

[Luce NDs]

Fixed your, I think, typo.

I think you'll find that a lot of parishioners expect otherwise, amigo. They expect the minister/pastor to behave in accordance with their church's values all the time. It is not a 9-5 job done for a paycheque, but a calling to service that includes expectations around one's personal values. Yes, you are not doing the work of the church 24 hours a day, but embodying the church's values in your private life isn't part of that work, it is a qualification for the job.

Is thus like using grape jews in place of communion wine to illustrate how things aren't they way they are perceived?

Such provides some of us giggling satyrs ... devils contained in the words that may appear dark but with obtuse light ... some refuse to see it ....

 

[RitaTG]

We seek God's grace by following his Law in reading his Word and participating in Baptism and the Lord's Supper.

Well ... we have a difference of understanding ..... grace found me.... grace continues to seek me regardless.
The law ...... by which is no man justified ..... read that somewhere
The law .... passed away and replaced ..... remember reading that too.
And then there was something about the letter of the law and death and the spirit of the law and life.
Lots said about following one's convictions and to keep our noses out of the convictions of another.
I feel sorry for those billions of people that could not read ..... definitely they miss out on your second point.
Baptism ... necessary for grace or God's acceptance ..... nope ..... a public demonstration of something deeper that already has taken place.
The Lord's Supper .... isn't that supposed to be an act of remembrance? Since when is that a requirement?
No ... I do not seek God's grace .... it seeks me ...... I am content with that.
Now the effects of that grace ..... I hope that more and more it shows in texture and nuance in how I live

 

[Luce NDs]

Well ... we have a difference of understanding ..... grace found me.... grace continues to seek me regardless.
The law ...... by which is no man justified ..... read that somewhere
The law .... passed away and replaced ..... remember reading that too.
And then there was something about the letter of the law and death and the spirit of the law and life.
Lots said about following one's convictions and to keep our noses out of the convictions of another.
I feel sorry for those billions of people that could not read ..... definitely they miss out on your second point.
Baptism ... necessary for grace or God's acceptance ..... nope ..... a public demonstration of something deeper that already has taken place.
The Lord's Supper .... isn't that supposed to be an act of remembrance? Since when is that a requirement?
No ... I do not seek God's grace .... it seeks me ...... I am content with that.
Now the effects of that grace ..... I hope that more and more it shows in texture and nuance in how I live

Does baptism in life give some experience in things that many people will reject or eliminate as uncomfortable cognizance of what is going on all about them ...?

Lets label this religious denial ... thus the undoing of knowing ...