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Am I alone in wishing for some logic in public decision-making? I know that Canada is geographically very different but a National Health Service looks very attractive right now.
 
BetteTheRed said:
Am I alone in wishing for some logic in public decision-making? I know that Canada is geographically very different but a National Health Service looks very attractive right now.
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I think the federal-provincial talks to create one would be the biggest shitshow since the Meech Lake Accord, but I do wish someone would at least try.
 
Thanks to fb I went ahead and got on lists ie. no actual appointments. One pharmacy gets moderna on the 5th - pharmacist there confirmed she wouldn't discriminate due to my health issues.
 
I feel articles like this are a bit misleading when the headline is on the national page.
www.ctvnews.ca

Dialysis patients have a high COVID-19 mortality rate, but were left out of vaccine priority: doctors

Dialysis patients risk being exposed to COVID-19 multiple times a week, are more likely than the general population to be hospitalized with the virus, and have a mortality rate between 20 and 30 per cent, but doctors say they have fallen through the cracks when it comes to vaccine priority.
www.ctvnews.ca www.ctvnews.ca
First thought was weren't the included in phase 2B - yes, they are, as well as being included in some other provinces.
 
I want to say how appalling all of this is. All of you are struggling to get in lists, or get letters( seriously?), find drug stores, access web sites........ and all of you are English speaking, well educated, tech savvy people. Imagine how stupid/difficult/ impossible this is for others. This can’t be the best way

we have been doing flu shots for decades. You just walk into a drug store and ask for it. Sometimes you need to call and book an appointment

why is this so complicated.
 
My local pharmacy ran out of the vaccine when they were still using it for 60 - 64 yr olds. When the eligibility was extended to age 70, my name went on their waiting list.

Meanwhile, my local hospital has started vaccinating people with my health condition (diabetes) so I made an appointment there. Would have been more convenient for Mr Paradox and I to get it together. Oh well. More important to get it done as soon as possible.

Not sure if my eligibility (based on risk) is specific to this hospital or the Toronto health unit. Or is it provincial? I am not sure.
 
Must be your area or hospital. The provincial schedule released last week had "at risk", including diabetes, in May. Nothing happening on that front here yet. Trust me, I am checking.
 
Lastpointe said:
I want to say how appalling all of this is. All of you are struggling to get in lists, or get letters( seriously?), find drug stores, access web sites........ and all of you are English speaking, well educated, tech savvy people. Imagine how stupid/difficult/ impossible this is for others. This can’t be the best way

we have been doing flu shots for decades. You just walk into a drug store and ask for it. Sometimes you need to call and book an appointment

why is this so complicated.
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Because of the supply issue. If we had a consistent, reliable supply chain, then sure we could do it the same as flu. But the shortage means we are trying to prioritize certain groups so need to confirm eligibility. It also means limiting the number of locations so the supply is not spread too thin.

But paper letters in 2021? That's just nuts. Even under these circumstances, they could do better.
 
Oh I know it is the appalling lack of vaccines and man I hope the federal government gets doing something. And I hope they get appropriately blamed. Every time I read “ oh another one million next week” I want to scream!


and unfortunately while everyone seems to be doing top age down, it also sounds like most new cases are under 40’s. Which sounds like they should be changing plans.
I just can imagine how someone without a total grasp of English figures this out
 
Other than the LTC locations, it seems all our vaccinations are being done in one location. It is where the annual flu clinics are held - and blood donor clinics etc..
It doesn't seem clear that any area has this situation under control. Spoke to someone (78) in LTC in another province yesterday. His paperwork was done a few weeks ago but he hasn't been vaccinated yet.
 
Lastpointe said:
I want to say how appalling all of this is. All of you are struggling to get in lists, or get letters( seriously?), find drug stores, access web sites........ and all of you are English speaking, well educated, tech savvy people. Imagine how stupid/difficult/ impossible this is for others. This can’t be the best way

we have been doing flu shots for decades. You just walk into a drug store and ask for it. Sometimes you need to call and book an appointment

why is this so complicated.
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For me this is partially because pharmacies allow for getting on a lost and even getting an appointment before the province does. While stage 2B started today my birth year is still diwn the list.

Shoppers drug mart not being willing to vaccinate me is a further complication and that did just come from my local shoppers. That would be true for the flu vaccine as well. All 3 of the pharmacies I connected with yesterday are not yet show on the provincial website 2 for sure do not yet have any vaccine and I'm not sure if the 3rd recently got it or just knows they will have it soon like one of the others. I called 2 and added myself online with the 3rd. All 3 were simple to do once I was aware they were taken info. Actually the 1st was automatic because I just moved all my prescriptions there, yet she is unaware when she will receive vaccines.

Getting an appointment for the mass vaccine clinic would be more simple but a) not a fan of their covid protocols and b) I feel way more comfortable at a pharmacy where I have spoken to the pharmacist beforehand about HAE.

I agree some of this is ridiculous, but for the average person the system isn't too complicated here.
 
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Good piece from an Indigenous woman who teaches down the road at Western. I read it without being logged in so hopefully it stays free.

www.theglobeandmail.com

My COVID-19 vaccine experience as an urban Indigenous woman in Ontario

The decision to prioritize the vaccination of Indigenous People isn’t only a good public health decision for the Indigenous population, it makes sense for Ontario as a whole
www.theglobeandmail.com www.theglobeandmail.com
 
I think the whole vaccination thing is clusterf*** of epic proportions, but I'm flinging blame around a bit more freely. I'd say the feds have done no worse than the PC would have. Given that all you're "in charge of" is the health act, and given our very limited R&D/drug manufacturing facilities (thank you again, Brian Mulroney for selling off Connaught), I'm not exactly sure what expectations are of the feds. I think the provinces have been very uneven, but I'd point to the Maritimes and BC as being slightly ahead of the pack in org skills, although Northwind's experiences with "snail mail" drops them considerably in my estimation (Bonnie Henry has been a pretty smart public servant leader during this), and the two cons - Ford and Kenney, as being slightly below par.
 
BetteTheRed said:
I think the whole vaccination thing is clusterf*** of epic proportions, but I'm flinging blame around a bit more freely. I'd say the feds have done no worse than the PC would have. Given that all you're "in charge of" is the health act, and given our very limited R&D/drug manufacturing facilities (thank you again, Brian Mulroney for selling off Connaught), I'm not exactly sure what expectations are of the feds. I think the provinces have been very uneven, but I'd point to the Maritimes and BC as being slightly ahead of the pack in org skills, although Northwind's experiences with "snail mail" drops them considerably in my estimation (Bonnie Henry has been a pretty smart public servant leader during this), and the two cons - Ford and Kenney, as being slightly below par.
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I actually think Alberta is doing better than most of the provinces with the vaccines.

The AHS system had glitches, but I haven't heard of any that didn't and they were fixed rather quickly.
The private pharmacies are a little all over the place for how they are managing appointments, but that's not the government.

My biggest complaint with the AHS aspect is just the COVID protoco.ls. Too many people, there are markers inside but there are times they are not followed. There was the issue on the first day they opened where there were crowds outside - some of that was because many people showed up very early, but they were also running hours behind by the end of the day, that aspect got fixed quickly.

A fair bit of the confusion with booking is just due to supply issues, and that's not on Alberta.

They have f***ed up a lot of things, the vaccine is one that the government is doing quite well.

What do you think BC and the Maritimes are doing better than here?
 
As I look at it, I wonder if the fact that BC and the Maritimes seem to be coping better is as much geography/demographics, as anything. They're both separated, from the rest of Canada by the Maritimes almost peninsular status because of the St. Lawrence, and BC has the mountains.

The Maritimes seem to be working together as one province in a way that it would have been nice to see all of Canada doing.
 
Going by this tracker - COVID-19 Tracker Canada - Vaccination Tracker
I would say Sask is doing the best, followed by AB. I have been watching it for a while, so it's not just based on what happened one day.
ON and Quebec have stepped up their game.

Maritimes seem to be quite slow.

When it comes processes for booking AB was pretty ahead, although I hear little about places like Quebec and the Maritimes.
I'm surprised Sask has managed to use the vaccines so well based on how I heard they were doing things.

Manitoba had 1 vaccine center for all of Winnipeg for a long time. Not good for seniors, who were there and it took quite a while before they were even doing that.

BC I would put somewhere in the middle with prcoesses.
 
BC was doing well. I think they rested on their laurels and messed up a bit. Hopefully our currently ballooning numbers humbles them and puts them back on track.

I'm on hold with the vaccine booking folks now. My letter came today. It sucks that I couldn't book yesterday because now I probably won't get an appointment within the ideal phase of my med schedule. I'll book what I can and figure things out from there
 
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