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Interesting to see that the Ontario COVID Science Table is recommending priority (in general public) by age AND postal code (ie where transmission rates are higher) - which I agree with. Getting the highest concentration areas dealt with first should diminsh the overall spread more effectively than applying the age eligibility criteria equally across the province.
 
@Kimmio , I wasn't disagreeing with the link being here, but I was surprised it wasn't labelled as opinion in the newspaper.
There are writing styles for news vs opinion / columnists, and this one seemed to move more into the opinion/columnist than a flat news story.
 
Also interesting that the news was being alarmist re the ontario site not being open until mid-march for booking online. I say alarmist, as the next news items was that regions are saying that they are continuing to take bookings and move through targeted groups, giving vaccines. For example, some areas, cannot do all their staff on the safe day, so their appointments are staggered to ensure that they have adequate staffing at their facility..

So, it isn't that we aren't giving shots or consuming vaccines or hitting our targeted people.
It is that we are not ready for the high volume that will hit when we can move into younger populations.
That date looks like mid-march.
In addition, the newest vaccine approved likely will be targeting some of those high volume.

Seems to me that the project plan dates are lining up.
 
BC is taking steps for mass vaccination clinics. More professionals are being approved to give vaccines and will get training. These are people like dentists, midwives, pharmacy assistants. Facilities are being set up for clinics. It's looking hopeful.
 
Pinga said:
Also interesting that the news was being alarmist re the ontario site not being open until mid-march for booking online. I say alarmist, as the next news items was that regions are saying that they are continuing to take bookings and move through targeted groups, giving vaccines. For example, some areas, cannot do all their staff on the safe day, so their appointments are staggered to ensure that they have adequate staffing at their facility..

So, it isn't that we aren't giving shots or consuming vaccines or hitting our targeted people.
It is that we are not ready for the high volume that will hit when we can move into younger populations.
That date looks like mid-march.
In addition, the newest vaccine approved likely will be targeting some of those high volume.

Seems to me that the project plan dates are lining up.
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I think most health units currently have their own systems in place for the current round of vaccinations. In fact, Middlesex-London is talking about continuing to use their own booking site and phone centre rather than the provincial one for the 80+ group when it starts. Apparently, city hall has loaned them some staff and facilities to run the phone part.
 
Carolla said:
Interesting to see that the Ontario COVID Science Table is recommending priority (in general public) by age AND postal code (ie where transmission rates are higher) - which I agree with. Getting the highest concentration areas dealt with first should diminsh the overall spread more effectively than applying the age eligibility criteria equally across the province.
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Yet PEI with the load case loads keeps getting highest amount of vaccine per capita of the provinces. I haven't found any information as to why.
 
My husband happened to be engaged back in the eheath roll-out. anyone remember the nightmare?
Anyhow, the challenges that an Ontario wide program ran was that each regional health unit had their own software and of course, management of that was dependent on the region.
So, i am sure that org that is working on the ontario wide software is feeling the same pain.

As an IT person who has witnessed global transformation to common software from the regional ones, and the pain that is encountered along the way, i don't envy them their task.
 
I have some concerns with mass vaccine clinics will see what they look like. When at a flu one in the past I remarked that it looked like a great way to actually contract the flu. I know they will look different than that but still with medical settings I have seen poor infection controls - crowding at dynalife, lack of hand sanitizer and a safe place to set down a mask, incorrect mask placement. Even the testing when Chemguy went didn't have great spacing between people. I don't have a high degree of confidence.
 
I wonder what the provinces will do with the AstraZeneca vaccine since it's not restricted to those under 65 in Canada. Ie. Will they use it the same as the mRNA ones or target it to different groups. Recommend 2nd dose is 12 weeks after the first.
 
ChemGal said:
I have some concerns with mass vaccine clinics will see what they look like. When at a flu one in the past I remarked that it looked like a great way to actually contract the flu. I know they will look different than that but still with medical settings I have seen poor infection controls - crowding at dynalife, lack of hand sanitizer and a safe place to set down a mask, incorrect mask placement. Even the testing when Chemguy went didn't have great spacing between people. I don't have a high degree of confidence.
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The photos I've seen of clinics in Ontario look like they are reasonable in the way they are set up.

I guess one difference from the flu clinics, at least around here, is that flu vaccines are generally given well in advance of the expected onset of the flu season. With COVID we're in the midst of it already.
 
Carolla said:
The photos I've seen of clinics in Ontario look like they are reasonable in the way they are set up.

I guess one difference from the flu clinics, at least around here, is that flu vaccines are generally given well in advance of the expected onset of the flu season. With COVID we're in the midst of it already.
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Which makes the latter even more risky overall. Typically though flu would be circulating prior to vaccines but not near the peak of cases.
 
I saw some interesting shots from a friend in Ohio -- who was in their car , and were vaccinated when they got to the front spot. That's one way to enforce distancing.

I look forward to seeing what they will roll out.
To-date all procedures for COVID vaccine have been great for safety in our area, and I have no reason to think that those responsible are not going to ensure they continue to be so.

Edited to note: the joys of Canada are that our health care are at the provincial and even regional. So, Ontario may do it well in Brant County and Edmonton may do it poorly (at one location or multiple?? not sure what hte issue was at that location).

Also edited to note: In a roll-out that we want speed and safety, I feel it is important to note that the team may have bumps and will need to retool. If you want it perfect, you won't get fast. If you want it fast, you won't get perfect. The trick is for them to respond quickly and not have chronic failures. If they don't, then beat them up. If you want them to go slower and with tighter controls, then, that is likely something to feed up the channel. If you want them to go faster, with individuals responsible for understanding that their may be queuing challenges, then, tell them that. (or, let them do it, knowing that they have multiple million critics and they are people working hard todo their best)
 
I suspect future historians will look back on this time with the same sense of horror we feel today about medical and social engineering atrocities of the past.
 
Pinga said:
So, i am sure that org that is working on the ontario wide software is feeling the same pain.
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It is probably Healthcare Shared Services Ontario (HSSO). They are the successor to eHealth and manage the LHIN systems we use for billing some LHIN contracts we do. Nice people to deal with but in the end, it is still eHealth under a new name.
 
It wasn't all of the locations here. The issue is lack of planning though. Have a plan in place for delays. Why no distancing set up? While not everything can be perfect it is possible to build things into place to help with safety when a few things aren't working as expected. I find in general AHS is great at making a lot of excuses.
 
ChemGal said:
Yet PEI with the load case loads keeps getting highest amount of vaccine per capita of the provinces. I haven't found any information as to why.
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Maybe because they have an older population and only a handful of ICU beds? And would have to fly out patients into another province if their ICU is full?
 
I'm reading that we shouldn't give the Covid vaccine until 90 days after someone has had Covid. Why? Because for one....it is preventative and not therapeutic. And two, if we wait the 90 days it will have a longer lasting effect.
Sooooo, that seems to pose a problem because all of the LTC' s that had Covid outbreaks have had their residents vaccinated right away. I know in my area we've had large outbreaks and vaccinations given very shortly after it was declared over.
Will this mean they will all need to be revaccinated very soon again? Or that it's not really the vaccine that is stopping the outbreaks?
 
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