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Pinga

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Second dose was fine. She is over 60. My niece, who is in her late 20's, had her butt kicked with 2nd dose.
My sister-in-law has advised that younger people are having stronger symptoms / kick butt reactions from the 2nd dose.
 

Mendalla

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Second dose was fine. She is over 60. My niece, who is in her late 20's, had her butt kicked with 2nd dose.
My sister-in-law has advised that younger people are having stronger symptoms / kick butt reactions from the 2nd dose.
That would tally with our experience. Most of our staff, esp. RTs, tend to be on the younger end.
 

Carolla

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Right younger people's immune systems generally do a better job of stopping the virus.
There was an interesting article in the weekend paper - some work being done that wonders if there is a relationship to having had MMR vaccines (booster at age 4-7 yrs - with good protection still in place at least 20 years out) may be having some positive effect on many of the younger generation who contract COVID. MMR immunity wanes slowly after that, leaving us 'old folks' far less protected. It would be interesting if subsequent MMR boosters later in life might prove helpful in the COVID scenario.
 

ChemGal

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There was an interesting article in the weekend paper - some work being done that wonders if there is a relationship to having had MMR vaccines (booster at age 4-7 yrs - with good protection still in place at least 20 years out) may be having some positive effect on many of the younger generation who contract COVID. MMR immunity wanes slowly after that, leaving us 'old folks' far less protected. It would be interesting if subsequent MMR boosters later in life might prove helpful in the COVID scenario.
Did they compare to those who didn't get it? If not seems like a very random thing to look into because in general immune responses decrease over time. If they compared to areas with low vaccination rates or something like that though I could see that being better supportive evidence. Plus looking at young adults who get it more recent vs. those who didn't, when I was in university mumps was going around so they were giving many 20 somethings a booster then.
 

Waterfall

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They are now doing studies in England on wherher you can mix vaccines.....such as giving Pfizers for first dose and Moderna for second dose or visa versa. Along with other combinations.
 

ChemGal

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They are now doing studies in England on wherher you can mix vaccines.....such as giving Pfizers for first dose and Moderna for second dose or visa versa. Along with other combinations.
My guess is they will come out with positive results for mixing and matching. Since it was being done anyway though, it's good to look into it more.
 

Carolla

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Did they compare to those who didn't get it? If not seems like a very random thing to look into because in general immune responses decrease over time. If they compared to areas with low vaccination rates or something like that though I could see that being better supportive evidence. Plus looking at young adults who get it more recent vs. those who didn't, when I was in university mumps was going around so they were giving many 20 somethings a booster then.
It was a small part of a larger article on vaccine hesitancy & vaccination rates for other vaccines locally if I remember correctly - it WAS a few days ago after all :D I will see if we still have the paper - yesterday was recycling day so maybe not.
 

ChemGal

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The online booking system goes live tomorrow, curious how that does. There aren't details yet, I wonder if I can do it through the system I already have when my eligibility comes up.

Healthcare workers were using something to book, but it was after they were emailed a code. With the system tomorrow anyone can get on, although only those who fit within 1B can be booked. People can book for someone else.
 

ChemGal

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Found the article @ChemGal - was in yesterday's Star - but it's behind a paywall. These two articles were mentioned - https://www.amjmed.com/article/S0002-9343(20)30902-5/fulltext and Analysis of Measles-Mumps-Rubella (MMR) Titers of Recovered COVID-19 Patients - you would understand more of it than I'm wrapping my brain around today.
Interesting, evidence isn't all pointing to the same reasoning. The first mentions similarities between Rubella antigen and the SARS-CoV-2 antigen, hypothesizing the Rubella vaccine component and those antibodies are what's offering the protective effect. The 2nd shows no correlation between Rubella antibodies and COVID severity, it does show correlation between mumps antibodies and COVID severity, giving some evidence that mumps antibodies offer some COVID protection.
 

BetteTheRed

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Yeah, it sure complicates stuff when you try and figure out if a vaccine designed to prevent three distinct diseases affects other antibodies, yes?
 

Carolla

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I like knowing that there are lots of ways of looking at what's happening - and that we have many 'explorers' involved. There are accounts of other such 'discoveries' in medicine - where for example a med used for one purpose was later found to have other uses - aspirin and stroke comes to mind.
 

Pinga

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@Carolla - a local doctor used viagra to save the life of a family's son. There two other children had previously died. @revjohn is related to them.
I can't find the specifics, but, it definitely the case of someone thinking out of the box in a time that called for desparate measures.
 

BetteTheRed

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will this incompetence affect the popularity of our boy Justin

Were there any friggin' alternatives worth considering, probably.

There's nothing. Conservatives keep on lobbying around racists, and alt right groups, and rich people, and "burn baby burn" anti-carbon tax people, and generally acting like trump-lite a**holes, like Ford and Kenny. O'Toole cut from same cloth.

I like Jagmeet Singh a great deal, and owe the construction of a successful brain/bun to his hair techniques. I also like his party, but it's generally a little heavily focused on social justice at the expense of environmental justice. I think Canadian racism hurts his chances.

I like the Green Party and Ms. Paul, their new leader, as well. However, the Green party has a bit of the opposite problem to the NDP - environmental justice at the expense of social justice. And they only have three seats. And there's the similar racism problem to Singh above, compounded by sexism.

So, if the Liberals could just find a leader...but maybe that's not fair. No-one looks really good in a pandemic. Countries who have no domestic vaccine production capabilities, and who are stupid enough to disband their Pandemic Planning Teams to save money, look worse. Can it be laid at the feet of "our boy Justin"? Not entirely.

We need a REALLY coherent epidemic/pandemic preparedness strategy, kept up to date, with a complete, current PPE inventory on-side, and some amendments to the Canada Health Act to allow federal control of pandemic strategies.
 
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