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Waterfall said:
I think we should listen....we need to know what the efficacy rate is for both doses given on time. We must know if this vaccine works with the elderly especially and also others. Most trials were done with a different age group and were limited as to who participated.
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Seniors were examined separately depending on what you mean by "the elderly ".Those in the trials did skew younger than many in long term care homes but for a disease that affects older people worse than young it does at least show the vaccine is effective in older adults
 
ChemGal said:
Seniors were examined separately depending on what you mean by "the elderly ".Those in the trials did skew younger than many in long term care homes but for a disease that affects older people worse than young it does at least show the vaccine is effective in older adults
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The trials were very limited and they were in good health....what I'm saying is right now those who received one dose only had a 33% efficacy rate and some still contracted Covid after 1st dose to reach the 95% I think they should give the second dose on time.
Im still a little concerned that Phizer raised its efficacy rate to match Modernas when Moderna said theres was 95%.....this was back when both vaccines were first announced....im curious to know the efficacy rate for Modernas 1st dose.
 
Waterfall said:
The trials were very limited and they were in good health....what I'm saying is right now those who received one dose only had a 33% efficacy rate and some still contracted Covid after 1st dose to reach the 95% I think they should give the second dose on time.
Im still a little concerned that Phizer raised its efficacy rate to match Modernas when Moderna said theres was 95%.....this was back when both vaccines were first announced....im curious to know the efficacy rate for Modernas 1st dose.
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I agree the data on the 1st dose only is very limited. Plus information on the proper scheduled dosing on frail elderly adults. Alberta is delayed 2nd doses especially now with the Pfizer delays (almost all the vaccines are ysed here) but they are not applying this to those in LTC - they are to stay in schedule. The plan was also to stick to the 42 days although Pfizer shipments may be problematic. That's my concern with planning delays unplanned issues can delay things longer. Quebec's covid response in general seems to not be using evidence based approaches in general from what I can see. I'm glad not to be there but it does have effects across the entire country.
 
In BC the vaccine is being prioritized by age (elderly first) in the general population. As well as care home staff and doctors who work with high risk populations (I think), and indigenous communities, and people who have serious breathing conditions and the severely immunocompromised.

Then everybody else.

It makes sense on the surface but what about people who are not immunocomprimised but their ability to perform daily living activities is compromised without proper support? For example, someone with epilepsy? They may get ill and have a working immune system but being sick and living independently puts them at greater risk if they have a seizure while they are ill with a serious respiratory virus - grand mals impede and momentarily stop breathing)? Or someone with mobility issues who has greater difficulty looking after themselves and no help?Or people with mental health issues who can't look after themselves when both physically and mentally ill? Those are risks that the able bodied and mentally well gen pop doesn't have.

Also, if young people and kids are super-spreaders,l even if they don't get serious symtoms -why not work from both ends of the age spectrum? Elderly people and people under 20, or under 30 because they are socializing in groups, at the same time?
 
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I felt a little more hopeful after the briefing describing the vaccine rollout. Still, one day at a time.
 
Northwind said:
I felt a little more hopeful after the briefing describing the vaccine rollout. Still, one day at a time.
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I’m glad you did. I don’t, really. I feel vulnerable waiting to be among the last ones vaccinated, as do others with disabilities who are not seniors. I feel we shouldn’t have been left out of the “vulnerable” category, in terms of public health. But given Bill C-7, of course we were. When the idea was being promoted 20 years or so up until fairly recently, to mainstream disability, it was to mainstream inclusion and visibility in employment and civic engagement - to promote accommodations that will even the playing field, to support human rights by recognizing unequal opportunity in daily life in society - not to pretend we don’t have extra risks and considerations.
 
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One day at a tome ... for the darl soul of jumanity would freak with radical exposure to light awareness ... not knowing is freely preferred!

Thus the naivete conspiracy ... a plot to unload thoughts?
 
Is anyone even buying stuff like Tylenol cold and flu, or NyQuil anymore? Colds and flus still exist but nobody would even be going out to the store to buy that stuff these days, I suspect. The ethos has changed from suck it up and get out there - employers too often only pretended to care if people came to work sick, then they’d give staff the gears if they exceeded 3 days off - to pleas to stay home. And we all generally accepted the view that we needed to drag ourselves out somehow despite our cold symptoms that exceeded our bosses’ prescribed time limits, most of the time, didn’t we? If this vaccine has the potential to be made quickly and cheaply, and the same process could be used to make vaccines for other viruses - that’s really going to knock big pharma on its butt, isn’t it? could that have anything to do with supply chain problems and slow roll out? Just asking.
 
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What does the big pharma have to do with past histories of corruption?

Does Pfizer have blemishes? They seem like large shadows on the Wahl ... that old dog Pluto ...
 
Luce NDs said:
What does the big pharma have to do with past histories of corruption?

Does Pfizer have blemishes? They seem like large shadows on the Wahl ... that old dog Pluto ...
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Yes, they do have blemishes. There's also Moderna, who I don't think I had heard of before covid. Interesting that both companies have very similar but not identical vaccines, with similar efficacy rates. I assume that must mean scientists shared information along the way, who were not solely interested in the patents, but were sincerely interested in evolving the effectiveness of vaccines to prevent (and eradicate) illness. I've heard it said that these vaccines are a potential game changer and I can't help but wonder if big pharma doesn't actually want their game changed. Because if the knowledge can be shared and it is no longer about competition and an industry dedicated to treating (or masking) symptoms to continue to generate revenue - they lose revenue, and power.
 
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Moderna has only been around since 2010. And researching mRNA vaccines seems like their main reason for existing. I heard (on Majority Report) that the mRNAscience that they're using was actually derided as quackery in the vaccine field before covid. But then it was tried out of desperation. Maybe a crisis of opportunity was actually a good one in this case, or else they'd still be laughed at by the rest of the field. Maybe they were only laughed at to keep them down. Maybe. I don't know. Just asking the question. Maybe it’s a good thing that a small start-up got noticed and picked up. And Pfizer had to jump on it, for business’ sake. But maybe this is a turning point.

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Our vaccine roll out is slow. Other countries not so much. The USA is planning on one million a day. 100,000,000 this winter. We have yet to even get a million doses. Israel has already done more than 1/3. Croatia has set up appointments for everyone over 50. Cousins are all done

trudeau can smile all he wants and tell people to keep calm. But they dropped the ball

i dont think Pharma is trying to slow things down. This development has given them a big boost. Technically and in public opinion. But yes, they dropped everything to work on this. The big difference was they were given permission to test stages at the same time. So the total testing period was shortened. Same testing was done but compressed time

and I do think that once we move past LTC homes and health care workers then the mad scramble will begin. I think Kimmio you should be in touch with your doctor. with health issues yourself, despite your age you might be able to move up the line

i am resigned to the fact that because we didn’t go to Florida, where we could get out shots, due to being property owners, we will be September here. And that I put squarely on Trudeau
 
Just wondering, what happens to the virus when we vaccinate the population from the top down....as in old to young. Would the virus then adapt in order to jump to the youngest among us or be stopped? Is this possible?
 
Seems to adapt pretty well so far. I doubt we have seen the end of its adaptations.

like the seasonal flu changes annually. We will now need an annual flu shot and Covid shot. I think life has changed in a big way
 
Lastpointe said:
Seems to adapt pretty well so far. I doubt we have seen the end of its adaptations.

like the seasonal flu changes annually. We will now need an annual flu shot and Covid shot. I think life has changed in a big way
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I wonder if theyre doing vaccine trials on those under 18?
 
And in the Toronto area they just announced that 40% of Covid cases are coming from the manufacturing sector....will they next shut down factories?
 
Waterfall said:
I wonder if theyre doing vaccine trials on those under 18?
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That was supposed to be happening because they were not done in the first round and we'll need to start vaccinating them once all the adults are done.

I am beginning to think the vaccine may end up blunting, rather than stopping, this bug. Given how mutable it appears to be and how quickly it spreads in spite of best efforts (even China, who have been fairly successful in controlling COVID, has been having another round of outbreaks), I can't see it being completely stopped very easily.

And there's still questions about whether it will stop people from carrying the virus without getting sick. I am pretty sure that I saw somewhere that the Israeli results suggest it does but I don't have the cite handy, but leaving that question unanswered means we can't really let down our guard with just vaccination.

Get used to wearing a mask, in other words, This may not end this year, even with vaccination.
 
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