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BetteTheRed said:
Agreed. I think that the Conservative provincial leaders have more or less proven that party affiliation isn't much of a predictor of a well-managed provincial pandemic. BC and the Atlantic provinces, and the territories, seem to be more "humanely responsive", the biggest, densest provinces are in a mess, despite their vastly differently political views (PC vs BQ). LP, I just cannot move my responses to this to a federal Conservative/Liberal dualism sorta debate. I do not get how you get to there from here.
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I disagree on that if speaking of the vaccines.
 
BetteTheRed said:
Sorry, what part do you disagree with? You see some sort of clear political affiliation with effective delivery?
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How BC and the Atlantic provinces have handled it. I wouldn't call it 'humanely responsive'. Some (not sure if all) of the Atlantic provinces have been hoarding instead of delivering. BC didn't bother to have a power backup nor did the do a quick roll out when there was a power outage, they went to waste instead.
The way BC has left out some from the medically at risk was very odd too, they included some where they is little evidence and then left out a large number with genetic immunodeficiencies who have been shown to be at risk.
 
My argument that those two groups of provinces (extreme west and east) were "reacting better" was completely due to two perceptions: i) the fact that Bonnie Henry seems to have a really credible voice in her province that I haven't seen elsewhere, and ii) the idea that the Maritime premiers were enough in accord to act as a collective. Again, all of this seems to be completely independent of any kind of "left-right" affiliation.
 
BetteTheRed said:
My argument that those two groups of provinces (extreme west and east) were "reacting better" was completely due to two perceptions: i) the fact that Bonnie Henry seems to have a really credible voice in her province that I haven't seen elsewhere, and ii) the idea that the Maritime premiers were enough in accord to act as a collective. Again, all of this seems to be completely independent of any kind of "left-right" affiliation.
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Reacting better how? Booking system was implemented all that well, and didn't learn from early implementation elsewhere. I didn't hear of other provinces having expired vaccines being administered, or vaccines lost due to a power outage.
I don't think Henry is any more credible than Hinshaw. Hinshaw is very cautious what she says in public though.
 
Lastpointe said:
Who else?
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As I have repeated many times, it was the Conservatives who sold off our not-for-profit laboratory, Connaught.

Both major parties, in my opinion, should be completely left out of the process, and votes shift to Green/NDP to have a bash at it.
 
No, I think that Henry seems to capture the heart of her province, and Hinshaw is more at the beck and call of her premier.
 
For the most part I believe BC has handled it well, or at least as well as can be expected. Of course there are things that could have been done better. Dr Henry has been the main voice. She and her team have been making the decisions and the premier has supported her. He has taken a back seat to her with regards to public health matters. He steps up now and again to show he's still around and leading. From here it looks like Kenney has been overriding Hinshaw too much. That has made it more political in AB. There also seems to have been some flip flopping in AB while BC has had a fairly steady course. I'm very glad to have been here through this.
 
Alberta feels very contrarily, both authoritarian and wild west everything goes.

To me.

I don't get it in a way that I don't misunderstand other provinces, so much.
 
Northwind said:
For the most part I believe BC has handled it well, or at least as well as can be expected. Of course there are things that could have been done better. Dr Henry has been the main voice. She and her team have been making the decisions and the premier has supported her. He has taken a back seat to her with regards to public health matters. He steps up now and again to show he's still around and leading. From here it looks like Kenney has been overriding Hinshaw too much. That has made it more political in AB. There also seems to have been some flip flopping in AB while BC has had a fairly steady course. I'm very glad to have been here through this.
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I see no more flip flopping here than anywhere else.
 
I keep hearing that Alberta isn't in the top for handling this from others, but I'm not hearing any specific reasoning.
Do I think it's been perfect here? No.
But considering what's been provided, I don't see many provinces doing a better job. Saskatchewan is a big exception, and I'm honestly confused as to why - although I don't hear much for details. The little I have heard just didn't sound like it would work well, and their methods probably wouldn't work well In ON, BC, Quebec or here. Demographics are certainly different.
 
Northwind said:
There seems to be more than here. I realize I am watching from outside.

Who is speaking/directing more Hinshaw or Kenney?
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Hinshaw is doing more speaking. Today's update she was the only speaker.
She has said from the get-go she isn't the decision maker, she is the advisor, and it's not just Kenny there are those within AHS making decisions too.

What's been an instance of flip flopping here that hasn't occurred elsewhere?
 
Carolla said:
I too had registered for pharmacy jabs before eligible age dropped at my area hospital. I was able to cancel myself from the list of one pharmacy, but not the two others. I e-mailed Shoppers yesterday about lack of option to cancel, after receiving several notices from them - they said just ignore the notices & it will expire. I guess when it's all automated it doesn't matter much to use up time & effort. Still, seemed weird.

My dtr had her vaccination today - Whistler's mayor advocated hard for all people who live or work in Whistler to be eligible due to high positivity rates - and won!
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It does mean that any analysis on people not taking vaccines based on people not responding to notices, or any sense of pentup demand is going to be bad if they use their data.
 
Another pro for here - I didn't hear of an issue with a pharmacy declining someone for not being a customer. (I was declined, but was a customer and that wasn't a systemic issue).
With some pharmacies having them at first/some not, and different pharmacies having different vaccines and thus different criteria, here the private companies seem to be good at dealing with this as a public thing.
 
JayneWonders said:
It does mean that any analysis on people not taking vaccines based on people not responding to notices, or any sense of pentup demand is going to be bad if they use their data.
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I don't think they would interpret it that way though, as it is well known many people are trying to get in multiple places, and are actually being encouraged to, as pharmacies weren't aware of who was getting what ahead of time, and appointment times open up as deliveries come in.
There's also the whole COVID thing - if someone is currently dealing with an infection they should cancel.
 
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