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Kimmio Laughterlove said:
Thanks for trying. I'll have to read it later and try again. I can't focus. Maybe I have a concussion. Or I just can process words and numbers at the same time. I was never that good at math word problems. I would be helped with terms like Always, Never, Sometimes. Or All, Most, Some, None - just to get a general understanding.
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I think you probably understand absolute well. It can be thought of the number of people who did not get sick because of the vaccine. To get this as a percent, you need to look at the entire population.

Relative - ignore everyone who wouldn't get sick, vaccine or not vaccine. Start with just the people who get sick without the vaccine. It's the ratio of those not sick thanks to vaccine to all of those who would be sick without it.
 
Kimmio Laughterlove said:
Reducing risk of serious illness in those infected with new variants - does that relate to relative risk, or absolute risk?

Reducing the infection rate of original strain: Absolute or relative?

Reducing infection rate of all strains: Absolute or relative?

Reducing deaths: Absolute or relative?

Reducing severity of illness: Absolute or relative?

Those are what is important to know as we go about daily life.
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You can apply either to any of these.
 
ChemGal said:
I think you probably understand absolute well. It can be thought of the number of people who did not get sick because of the vaccine. To get this as a percent, you need to look at the entire population.

Relative - ignore everyone who wouldn't get sick, vaccine or not vaccine. Start with just the people who get sick without the vaccine. It's the ratio of those not sick thanks to vaccine to all of those who would be sick without it.
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Got it.
 
Well finally a list of health conditions - I qualify multiple times, it';s honour system and a lot of conditions are included, so it's going to take some time to get through that phase when it starts.
Need to figure out if I even should get one though and where I can go.
 
@Lastpointe , I have a friend who is driving into Toronto on Wed to get hers, as well.
I am going to wait. Hope I don't regret, but, I am not a fan of driving for an hour, and ensure that I am 30min early, then, wait, then, have a shot, wait, then drive an hour home. (maybe if it was two of us going, but, not for just me).
I really don't get much exposure, and I don't think it will be August before I get a vaccine. (My husband will likely be in April based on his age)
 
Pinga said:
@Lastpointe , I have a friend who is driving into Toronto on Wed to get hers, as well.
I am going to wait. Hope I don't regret, but, I am not a fan of driving for an hour, and ensure that I am 30min early, then, wait, then, have a shot, wait, then drive an hour home. (maybe if it was two of us going, but, not for just me).
I really don't get much exposure, and I don't think it will be August before I get a vaccine. (My husband will likely be in April based on his age)
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Are they asking people to get there early in ON? That was part of the problem here, people showing up before their appointment time.
 
Anyone in the 60-64 age group can get an appointment for their Astrazenica..
They only put the doses in large population areas that also had issues with spread.
They also worked to ensure that they could readily get vaccines to and could handle the load.

You phone and get an appointment.
You don't have to live in the area that you phone for the appointment. If you can get there for your vaccine and can get an appointment, you are good.
You then go & get your vaccine at the appropriate time.

it is working reasonably smoothly and appointments are being filled and vaccines nearing expiry used up.
Though, per Lastpointe's feedback, they haven't' updated the site to say "no more appointments available at this site", so you may have to make a few calls. My friend made 3 phone calls. (She had advised me, if I was going to call, to pick a certain area)

Regarding my "get their 30min early". If I am going anywhere in Toronto, I play to arrive 30 min early, as you never know what traffic willb e like. I would sit in my car until the appt time.
 
Pinga said:
Anyone in the 60-64 age group can get an appointment for their Astrazenica..
They only put the doses in large population areas that also had issues with spread.
They also worked to ensure that they could readily get vaccines to and could handle the load.

You phone and get an appointment.
You don't have to live in the area that you phone for the appointment. If you can get there for your vaccine and can get an appointment, you are good.
You then go & get your vaccine at the appropriate time.

it is working reasonably smoothly and appointments are being filled and vaccines nearing expiry used up.
Though, per Lastpointe's feedback, they haven't' updated the site to say "no more appointments available at this site", so you may have to make a few calls. My friend made 3 phone calls. (She had advised me, if I was going to call, to pick a certain area)

Regarding my "get their 30min early". If I am going anywhere in Toronto, I play to arrive 30 min early, as you never know what traffic willb e like. I would sit in my car until the appt time.
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Ah, yeah, I understand the being there early with driving. Not necessarily right there if parking lot is full, but nearby.
 
Yes, when ever you drive to Toronto you have to listen to the radio to hear the traffic accidents and make adjustments to your route, and plan on getting stuck somewhere for at least 15 minutes. In normal times it could also take 15 minutes to find a parking spot, the ones under the big towers fill up pretty quickly with office workers

however now parking isn’t a problem. So it’s just a traffic issue

its funny, when we drive to Florida we listen to the traffic reports as we drive through big cities. Which is of course a waste of time, because we don’t know the roads and don’t know how to navigate around accidents. We now use Waze as it navigates you around accidents

but in Toronto , we know right away which exit to take to avoid issues and how to navigate on city streets.
 
There was a tweet about getting Moderna vaccines as expected in Canada and this. Federal government isn't stockpiling COVID-19 vaccines; provinces responsible for unused doses: Anand

Alberta didn't get a delivery from Canada yesterday no mention. A bunch of appointments had to be rescheduled and that could affect 2nd doses too. This is something that has gone well here - using what we have. I wouldn't be surprised if in a few days there is an article show vaccine use stats for the provinces that shows Alberta lagging when the pharmacies are working hard with resceduling.
 
BC seems to be lagging too.

I've come across some research lately that people getting certain cancer treatments and other health issues don't benefit much from only one dose. They need the second dose for the best effect. I am going to ask about this at my doctors' appointments that are coming up. I wonder if the powers that be will take this research into consideration.
 
Efficiency demands shaving things down to take time to respond to the message that a fire is burning ... if your house is on fire how long will you wish to wait for the fire marshal to respond?

Does this work with raging dis eases ... thus angst!

May depend on how it is said ... phone tix? Bugs many ...
 
Apparently the US is clearing out some of their stock of AstroZeneca since the FDA still hasn't approved it. They are offering us 1.5M doses and the Mexicans 2.5M. Better than having it expire languishing in their stockpile I guess
 
Northwind said:
BC seems to be lagging too.

I've come across some research lately that people getting certain cancer treatments and other health issues don't benefit much from only one dose. They need the second dose for the best effect. I am going to ask about this at my doctors' appointments that are coming up. I wonder if the powers that be will take this research into consideration.
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M point is, here it's not lagging, it's going really well. I expect to see a lag due to the shipment not coming through. At end of day yesterday we had used up 92% of what was received. AB and Sask have both been great at using things as they come, there are dips right after shipments, like any province but we get up the amount used fairly quick. AB was the first province to get online booking as far as I know, and while the system wasn't perfect they still booked many appointments.

When a shipment doesn't come as we were told it would be by the federal government - many of those appointments have to be cancelled. Some pharmacies might be able to increase the appointments in a day to reschedule those people, but it's not like they can just do it immediately, especially with COVID safety protocols. I expect the stats to look worse for a while once the deliveries do come through because of this.
 
Ontario is lagging, but given the size and huge demographic diversity of the province, the general eptitude of our premier, doesn't surprise me.

If I were premier, after LTC was looked after, caregivers and residents, I'd target Toronto, then other hotspots, trickling vaccines out to other areas.
 
Northwind said:
I've come across some research lately that people getting certain cancer treatments and other health issues don't benefit much from only one dose. They need the second dose for the best effect. I am going to ask about this at my doctors' appointments that are coming up. I wonder if the powers that be will take this research into consideration.
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Not really a big surprise. In general, I feel like vaccines is something where we could individual medicine much more but I don't think governments are big supporters due to complexity.
Someone like me would likely do better with smaller doses, spread further out if boosters in general are needed.
People taking certain immunosuppressants might need extra boosters, closer together, or higher doses to get similar protection.

Hopefully as they learn more considering it was 'standard' they can roll out 2nd doses to some populations sooner - here they stuck with the schedule for long term care due to the high mortality.

I really hope there will be long term learning about vaccines due to this. We know age is a factor, we know sex can be a factor. I think there are a lot of things, hormones for example - as those are known to affect the immune system. Maybe we need to treat menstruating girls differently than pre-menstrual girls as an example. Ditto when it comes to menopause.

With this type of rollout we can really expect to get that complex - but what if in the early stages we could have said any healthcare worker under the age of 50 only needs 75% of the dose? That could have meant an extra dose from every vial at minimum for that group of health care workers.

Longer term when not in a rush to do things fast it can mean better protection for some and reduced side effects for others - if we're willing to deal with some extra costs due to complexity.
 
BetteTheRed said:
I hope that this will be the final impetus to implement and maintain, a pandemic response paradigm within the Federal Health Act.
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We still don't even have a national app - probably too late to get good user numbers now anyway.
 
Well never mind about the stat issue - we're just not going to get them right away, we're getting half of what was missing for now :(
If anything provinces which have had international airports open through this should be getting more per capita, not less than the other provinces.
 
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