No nothing....just trying to provide info for those who have. Of course theres always a first time.
Covid 19 Vaccine
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ChemGal
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If someone has before, if they can't pinpoint it they should at least try to get a list of possibilities.
ChemGal
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I'm not concerned by the amount of PEG in the vaccine when it comes to the liver!
Here is a good breakdown on what the ingredients are in the Covid 19 vaccine and what each one does:
www.technologyreview.com
What are the ingredients of Pfizer’s covid-19 vaccine?
We asked experts to help us decode the contents.
www.technologyreview.com
Lastpointe
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Hubby just had his phone review with oncologist. Asked her about vaccines. She said, by summer, when it is likely vaccines will be available, this week all just being publicity, they will know more about immunocompromised people and whether it’s safe
Northwind
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Yesterday Dr Henry said the Pfizer vaccine is not suitable for immunocompromised people. That was a bit discouraging since ideally it would be useful. She said the other vaccine that will likely be approved soon could be suitable. I figured the same as the oncologist @Lastpointe , that we're looking at spring/summer.
ChemGal
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I'm surprised she said that, my understanding is that we just don't know yet, it may or it may not be.
Good news with vaccines is at least then things like IVIg and SCIg offer the protection too along with the antibodies people produce after being infected too - if they can donate when those are still circulating.
Ritafee
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Vaccine injury can also be dismissed as 'something else' and they don't even all get reported.
See how that works ... with vaccines it is all coincidental but a covidian death is always only a covidian death and a covidian case is the only case that is worth counting for the covidian cult's sake.
It is all baffling and thus creating bar*riers ...
Northwind
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She is someone who does her homework so I trust what she says. She expects the Moderna vaccine will be okay for people with compromised immune systems
Pinga
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Ok, so I am a bit surprised by the negativity and comments.
1. The government chose to hedge their bets by ordering many times of vaccinations. We, contrary to the UK or European countries, have a complicated delivery requirements -- from simple distribution in large cities, to the far north.
2. There is delivery in phases -- including introduction and testing the distribution process.
3. The vaccines are new, there is a lack of trust in society. It is good and logical to have a staged roll-out.
For crying out loud, folks -- this is a pandemic. People are working to figure out what to do and to give the best that they possibly can do.
Can you cut anyone some slack?
1. The government chose to hedge their bets by ordering many times of vaccinations. We, contrary to the UK or European countries, have a complicated delivery requirements -- from simple distribution in large cities, to the far north.
2. There is delivery in phases -- including introduction and testing the distribution process.
3. The vaccines are new, there is a lack of trust in society. It is good and logical to have a staged roll-out.
For crying out loud, folks -- this is a pandemic. People are working to figure out what to do and to give the best that they possibly can do.
Can you cut anyone some slack?
Pinga
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I am enjoying a poster on Facebook "Ray Wat".
Here is a post from today he made
Why immunity by vaccine is preferable to immunity from infection and recovery:
1) Vaccines mean you don't have to actually get sick from the disease, or risk dying from the disease (duh)
2) Vaccines can be calibrated to create bigger (and longer lasting) immune response than got from natural infection
3) Natural infection gives virus more opportunities to mutate and become more virulent
4) If you vaccinate everyone, you can eliminate a disease. If you rely on natural immunity, transmission rates fall until they stop falling, and disease simmers along, waiting to reassert itself when immunity lapses.
5) Vaccines are cool; diseases are icky.
Here is a post from today he made
Why immunity by vaccine is preferable to immunity from infection and recovery:
1) Vaccines mean you don't have to actually get sick from the disease, or risk dying from the disease (duh)
2) Vaccines can be calibrated to create bigger (and longer lasting) immune response than got from natural infection
3) Natural infection gives virus more opportunities to mutate and become more virulent
4) If you vaccinate everyone, you can eliminate a disease. If you rely on natural immunity, transmission rates fall until they stop falling, and disease simmers along, waiting to reassert itself when immunity lapses.
5) Vaccines are cool; diseases are icky.
Northwind
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I don't know if my comment was one that was considered negative. There is a lot of excitement about the pending arrival of the vaccine. I'm immunocompromised so expected I would be in one of the groups that would be able to get the vaccine some time before the general public gets it. As someone who could use extra protection, I'm disappointed that this vaccine is not suitable for people with compromised immune systems. If expressing my disappointment makes me negative, oh well. I do realize this is not going to be the only vaccine available.
Pinga
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No, northwind, i did not see your disappointment as negative. I do think that folks are being overly optimistic re vaccine distribution and magic wand -- possibly a result of Trump's messaging, possibly a result of us all needing something to hang on to.
My sense is that we need to protect those who cannot or will not protect themselves.
I do not expect to get the vaccine until sometime next fall. I will be thankful if we can get it in the summer, but, am not counting on it.
My sense is that we need to protect those who cannot or will not protect themselves.
I do not expect to get the vaccine until sometime next fall. I will be thankful if we can get it in the summer, but, am not counting on it.
Northwind
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I don't think trump had anything to do with it. We've had many Canadian messengers who have been excited about the vaccine. The general message is that the pandemic will only end with a vaccine.
ChemGal
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It's not just COVID where the concerns have been brought up. We need to be more independent plus diversify when it comes to vital needs. Blood product shortages not new. Medication recalls and shortages due to contaminants overseas not new. The vaccine production issues came up with swine flu over a decade ago plus Ebola breakouts. We have the skill we should be able to produce vaccines using a range of technologies.
Ritafee
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And how do you propose to do that?
World Vaccine Polls
Official Trusted World Vaccine Polls for the Covid-19 Virus. Get the official thoughts of the World about Coronavirus.
www.worldvaccinepoll.com
Pinga
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One way to protect those who cannot or will not protect themselves, is to offer immunization to those who are in high risk populations: Addicts, homeless, shelters, prostitutes -- all high risk populations. Another is to offer to those who are going to bars. Setup immuniztion near party locations -- get the spreaders.