Not YOU, but everybody. Everybody who takes offense at the use of the word Karen, when there are major issues in the world and Karens are a big part of the problem, is being a Karen.
Can we please stop misusing the name "Karen"?
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Who else is taking offense at the name Karen?
Why don't men who behave that way get a similar label?
It's a simplistic, imprecise and sexist label.
It's what's happening when you miss the point of the correct usage and complain about other interpretations. They got to you. You are making a big deal about a manufactured problem that is only a problem to the entitled. The oppressors want you to miss the point and join the chorus of false righteousness and false victimhood.
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bulls**t
I don't think it is bulls**t. It's same people - these so called free speech crusaders who only want free speech so they can override human rights for minorities, and anti-SJWs and real sexists and racists facilitating the false righteousness and false victimhood. They are doing it on purpose to divide people and to get us to look away from the real reason the Karen label exists.
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No it's not. It's not what is going on here. Someone who seeks to be emotionally abusive using your trust against you - when you they know are being abusive and they are referring to their own abuse as your fault, your character flaw (one particular poster told me to play with myself - there's a back story - had the audacity to call me hun- and then told me I'm paranoid about a right wing influencer who got invited to have an audience with trump and some social media neo nazi platformers - that's gaslighting) pointing out a collective entitlement problem in white mainstream society - and the slave owners wives carry a different but still insidious and awful legacy that we can trace it to - made more acutely obvious by complaining about the use of the word Karen, is not gaslighting. It's actually exposing an ugly cultural problem.
Karens complaining about getting a label for acting like entitled debutantes for centuries is gaslighting. Nobody here says a f***in thing about real gaslighting but they'll defend their objections to the use of the word Karen adamantly. Bloody hell. They got to you.
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I know Karen means debutante in street language. If you expect people to all have more sophisticated language for it - but without that they are not wise enough to get it - you're being a Karen, and a debutante, continuing a legacy of prejudice against people who use street language, and you're gaslighting when you do that. Whoever came up with "Karen" knew exactly what attitude they were talking about.
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They got to me did they? Have you even read anything I've written?
Let me try one more time.
I am saying the use of a label, any label, such as "Karen" does nothing to call out the behaviour. The behaviour needs to be called out specifically, not with some random label.
Telling me that I don't have a sense if humour because I can't see the fun in it, and suggesting I am incapable of forming my own opinion because "they got to me" dismisses my view and silences me. You are using gaslighting tactics to shut me down. I'm not following the appropriate script.
I absolutely believe doing things like phoning the police on a black person for something stupid, especially in a situation where your own behaviour has not been exemplary needs to be called out. We can call it out by naming the behaviour and challenging it.
What special name do you have for a man who engages in such behaviours?
I will not be using the label "Karen".
Let me try one more time.
I am saying the use of a label, any label, such as "Karen" does nothing to call out the behaviour. The behaviour needs to be called out specifically, not with some random label.
Telling me that I don't have a sense if humour because I can't see the fun in it, and suggesting I am incapable of forming my own opinion because "they got to me" dismisses my view and silences me. You are using gaslighting tactics to shut me down. I'm not following the appropriate script.
I absolutely believe doing things like phoning the police on a black person for something stupid, especially in a situation where your own behaviour has not been exemplary needs to be called out. We can call it out by naming the behaviour and challenging it.
What special name do you have for a man who engages in such behaviours?
I will not be using the label "Karen".
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Who said anything about sophisticated language?
How far would Christian Cooper, the birdwatcher in Central Park, have gotten if he'd called Amy Cooper a Karen? His response is one excellent example of an assertive response to bad behaviour. He maintained his dignity without resorting to labels.
Do you call a misbehaving toddler a name? No, you tell them to stop acting that way, or you another tactic to help them to learn better behaviour.
No fancy language is needed.
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This actually makes no sense. You're looking pretty desperate here.
You probably think certain styles of music that use pedestrian language do nothing to address problems, too. It's a colonial blind spot. I used to have it more than I do now. Do you think people who live in certain communities only have something to say if they say it the way you want to hear it, in your polite language?
His sister called her a Karen! His sister posted the video he got.
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Where did I suggest pedestrian language or polite language?
Clearly you're not actually reading what I'm writing.
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You missed my point. Again.
This is the world's first introduction to the incident:
No. I didn't. Chis Coopers sister wrote a whole article about racism and assumptions. I think I get the point and you missed it altogether. He gave her permission to tweet the video.
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And how did Christian Cooper respond in the moment?
I'm still waiting for an answer to the question about why only women get this label? Why don't men who behave similarly get labelled?
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