Buffy Sainte-Marie.... Indigenous or Not?

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Leaders declare the populace needs distraction so they will not take the NU's as a Nous and hang them with their own data ...

Otherwise we don't know any better than in the past ... cause of the order to ignore the past ... and allow the republic to re emerge with a new tyrant at the helm ... Caine Mute!
 
Kimmio Laughterlove said:
Then there were the kids displaced from their communities through forced adoption, and who long to rediscover connection with them - and that’s not our place to judge them for it.
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I heard about Buffy St. Marie MANY years ago thanks to a younger person who was from Piapot. In my opinion (and that is all this is), this isn't MY business. From my conversations with indigenous people, they appear to claim or deny 'belonging' according to their own rules. The people of Piapot seem to have decided that Buffy 'belonged', and I see no reason to interfere with that choice. As my dad used to say - its no skin off my nose.
The whole adoption process caused many difficulties for some families. We chose to adopt two children, who didn't pine for their roots and close connection with their extended birth families. . One was accepted by his Band, one was denied for many years. . One connected with his birth mother, the other hasn't made a connection beyond requesting his Treaty card. None of us understand the nuances.
 
I agree with those who say it is not our place to decide our judge. If the Piapot people accept her as theirs, that's enough. At the same time, people are reeling, especially those involved in the Sixties Scoop. We need to remember that Indigenous children were not treated well by "authorities" Many who were adopted had their true identities whitewashed. That means things like birth certificates and narratives about the child's history are likely muddied.

There's an excellent program on Crave, APTN and other places called "Yellowbird". It is specifically related to a family affected by the 60's scoop. Buffy Ste Marie is older than those people. Still, she may have been part of the early version of this. Another good resource is Five Little Indians by Michele Good about the residential schools and their impact. An Indigenous community in Saskatchewan is featured too.
 
Northwind said:
I agree with those who say it is not our place to decide our judge. If the Piapot people accept her as theirs, that's enough. At the same time, people are reeling, especially those involved in the Sixties Scoop. We need to remember that Indigenous children were not treated well by "authorities" Many who were adopted had their true identities whitewashed. That means things like birth certificates and narratives about the child's history are likely muddied.

There's an excellent program on Crave, APTN and other places called "Yellowbird". It is specifically related to a family affected by the 60's scoop. Buffy Ste Marie is older than those people. Still, she may have been part of the early version of this. Another good resource is Five Little Indians by Michele Good about the residential schools and their impact. An Indigenous community in Saskatchewan is featured too.
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Yet judgementalism is a big thing in blind faith ...

Thus ... that do not take sides end up in the medium ... a hated thing by either side that declare mediums do not exist as they might process intellectual matter in some weird function that is poorly accepted by powers of determinatation ... forming determinates ... when nothing is settled in the dervish!

Imagine an intellectual medium ... suggests thoughts and it cannot be so in a world of pure desire ...

Perhaps why I was once asked on WC if I was a reality or abstract! I'll go with the unseen as a darker shadow character ... under the wings of doubt ... hood ath unque ide ...
 
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Kimmio Laughterlove said:
By pointing them out in the first place, you’re suggesting you see differences that you think they need to consider, or we, need to consider on their behalf in order to satisfy our questions about their legitimacy.
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I think when outsiders are discussing this, it is helpful to keep those different situations in mind. In terms of legitimacy for those this is affecting, I'm actually not judging legitimacy. I have been noticing these issues popping up for years and have been listening, paying the most attention to those who this affects - people from the communities, people who are claiming an identity.
If you want to say there's judgement, then it would go to the outsiders discussing, and even then just with pointing this out, that judgement is more of a keep in mind, the situations are different and I hope that people at least consider them different before making on a decision of what they view as right, if that's what they will do.

In terms of what's right for individuals claiming an identity, the only judgement at this point I have is when someone is claiming a cultural identity for things like money, popularity, power etc. and they didn't have a connection. Danielle Smith seems like a likely example of this - although I could be wrong. - but her situation at least to me seems vastly different than what's actually being discussed here. I've seen personal examples in my life too. Those seem to be less common, or at least get less attention/fade out serious as people don't take them seriously.
 
paradox3 said:
Interesting fact I never knew about Buffy. She breastfed her son Dakota (Cody) on Sesame Street. Completely shocking at the time!
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God! How unnatural can folks get ???? Maybe backstabbing as a poke at anything if you are one one side or the other and the processing medium must be put down ... thus fecundity ... fertile for more of the crap that humanity produces??? The pain of learning while in the cesspool, or swamp ... created by the powers determined to drain everything? I feel blanched ...
 
I just watched the documentary today. They present an excellent argument that Buffy Ste Marie is not Indigenous. There was no mention that she was Indigenous until she was around 20. She initially said she was Algonquin (Ontario) then Mi'Kmaw (NS) then landed on Cree (northern ON/PQ and west). The birth certificate appears legitimate and she looks like her "adoptive" family.

It does look like she's a pretendian.
 
Her mother in Massachusetts is part Mi'kmaq. So she has a legitimate claim to some indigenous ancestry.

The band in Saskatchewan adopted her as one of them when she was in in her early twenties. There is that too.

I feel there has been some hyperbole on her part in presenting herself as indigenous.

I also get a chaotic vibe from her family.
 
Mrs.Anteater said:
Did she get that for being indigenous?
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Yes, she won for Indigenous Artist or Group and Contemporary Roots Album that year. The former should likely be taken away. However, she should be allowed to keep the latter, I would say, since it was not dependent on her indigenous identification. It simply means she had the best folk album of that year, more or less.

In the end, it is terrible that she did this if indeed she did, we still have acknowledge her powerful talent as a songwriter. "Universal Soldier", "Love Lifts Us Up" and others don't get worse. The only ones that might be in question are ones tied tightly to her being an indigenous artist, e.g. You've Got To Run, which she recorded with Tanya Tagaq after both received Polaris Prizes in consecutive years and which is very much in an indigenous style.
 
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This news will slowly fade away out of the spotlight as we move on to the next thing, and those who need to decide these things will do so more quietly I suppose.
 
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