Buffy Sainte-Marie.... Indigenous or Not?

[Waterfall]

Can I just post this here? I'm not just virtue signaling. This is a teaching moment. Humbly I present a respectful synopsis from a big marketing business.

Why we're dropping the word 'tribe' - Enviral

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I may use the word I may not....becoming a marketing tool is something I try to avoid

Indigenous Corporate Training Inc.

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Lots of info on the different terms, what to be careful of and so forth

Hmmm, hopefully the classes aren't filled with diamond mine executives or oil barons learning intimate secrets to schmooze their way into the "hearts" of those they wish to abuse.

 

[Kimmio Laughterlove]

I think the threads important to see things differently. As for myself, just commenting has led me down a rabbit hole as you say, and my opinion has changed back and forth over time, just today. I've learned things... the more we talk, and hear from others and listen we may become better informed to understand, IMO.
If we listen to what indigenous think , opinions will vary too.
This is a good exercise for this world today, that gifts us with diverse understandings of those different than us.

It’s ironic though. “We” are asking the questions, then “we” determine that it isn’t our place…then, it’s advisable to stop. Meanwhile, Indigenous people have been telling us to stay out of their business for a very long time, but that didn’t count until “we” said it counted. People like the beautiful Sacheen Littlefeather, speaking up at the prestigious Oscars at the behest of Marlon Brando, and Buffy St. Marie playing with the hippest dudes on the folk scene, are exactly what “we” wanted to see. “We” didn’t want to hear straight from the people who’d suffered in residential schools or without clean water.

Bob Dylan, by the way, was not a Ramblin cowboy or a train hitcher who’d joined the circus - he was the son of wealthy, educated parents and he reinvented himself. There was a lot of acting involved in his star persona. He’s been criticized but he seems to be held to a more forgiving standard or creative licence.

 

[Delightful Life]

Hmmm, hopefully the classes aren't filled with diamond mine executives or oil barons learning intimate secrets to schmooze their way into the "hearts" of those they wish to abuse.

Look at their site
Look at who uses them
Look at the actual Indiginous on their team? :3

Me? I generally try to avoid Caucasians lecturing brown people how to behave...lol

 

[Waterfall]

It’s ironic though. “We” are asking the questions, then “we” determine that it isn’t our place…then, it’s advisable to stop. Meanwhile, Indigenous people have been telling us to stay out of their business for a very long time, but that didn’t count until “we” said it counted. People like the beautiful Sacheen Littlefeather, speaking up at the prestigious Oscars at the behest of Marlon Brando, and Buffy St. Marie with the hippest dudes on the folk scene, are exactly what “we” wanted to see. Bob Dylan, by the way, was not a Ramblin cowboy or a a train hitcher who’d joined the circus - he was the son of wealthy, educated parents and he reinvented himself. There was a lot of acting involved in his star persona. He’s been criticized but he seems to be held to a more forgiving standard.

I know her songs,her poetry, her persona....I guess I'm grieving the romanticism of a package that came with it. I'm pretty sure I will still highly regard her music, which is the only way I have actually experienced her.

 

[Waterfall]

Look at their site
Look at who uses them
Look at the actual Indiginous on their team? :3

Me? I generally try to avoid Caucasians lecturing brown people how to behave...lol

Yeah I checked it out, just saying, there will be some.

 

[Kimmio Laughterlove]

I know her songs,her poetry, her persona....I guess I'm grieving the romanticism of a package that came with it. I'm pretty sure I will still highly regard her music, which is the only way I have actually experienced her.

The white mainstream wanted that persona because they weren’t open to hearing the ugly realities, and they (we) wanted to see and hear it presented in a way they (we) approved of. That’s the irony - to be scrutinizing Buffy St.Marie rather than looking at ourselves as problematic. It’s the same with most minority group representation - once there’s a celebrity face to attach to “the cause” neoliberal capitalists work it into their agenda. And then turn around and find blame in those who were exploited by that agenda.

 

[Delightful Life]

Yeah I checked it out, just saying, there will be some.

Some what?

Token Indiginous are you meaning?

Look at the Founder

And I also note in their advice, they use the term Tribe

 

[Delightful Life]

The white mainstream wanted that persona because they weren’t open to hearing the ugly realities, and they wanted to see and hear it presented in a way they approved of. That’s the irony - to be scrutinizing Buffy St.Marie rather than looking at ourselves as problematic.

I wonder at why is this happening now?

Did she challenge the wrong person or group?

Is her activism coming back to bite her?

Is this an example of CSJ Circular Firing Squad?

I dunno

 

[Kimmio Laughterlove]

I wonder at why is this happening now?

Did she challenge the wrong person or group?

Is her activism coming back to bite her?

Is this an example of CSJ Circular Firing Squad?

I dunno

I think it’s eugenics mentality being proliferated. The focus on genetic purity tests can become very problematic if politicized and that’s been happening from the right for awhile. It both boosts the seeming importance of genetic “worth” and divides communities struggling at the hands of the same oppressors who are the source of pushing its importance….and they have historically used that to justify eugenics practices and genocide. We’re not all the way there but that’s the trajectory we’re on.

 

[Waterfall]

The white mainstream wanted that persona because they weren’t open to hearing the ugly realities, and they (we) wanted to see and hear it presented in a way they (we) approved of. That’s the irony - to be scrutinizing Buffy St.Marie rather than looking at ourselves as problematic. It’s the same with most minority group representation - once there’s a celebrity face to attach to “the cause” neoliberal capitalists work it into their agenda. And then turn around and find blame in those who were exploited by that agenda.

The past is healthy to look at to understand ourselves.

 

[Kimmio Laughterlove]

I may use the word I may not....becoming a collective marketing tool is something I try to avoid.

I know ninj didn’t have any ill intent - but it reminds me of this, done a few years ago (which is a protest art piece). It looks like the digital exhibit was taken down, but this article describes it.

What’s the Deal with This Creepy Outdoor Brand’s Website?

In Ours, a digital exhibition for the New Museum, artist Samuel Marion imagines a not too distant future in which outdoor brands use slick advertising to mask more sinister aims

www.outsideonline.com

 

[ChemGal]

I believe things are more complex than they appear. It's clear she's been "adopted" or embraced by her indigenous community for a very long time and has worked for Indigenous rights and awareness from that foundation. That is theirs to work out. What I do understand is that each community - each situation - is different. Blood quantum can be a colonist projection is some cases. Potential for misusing that hospitality exists.

Although being included in the community once an adult is very different than growing up with it.

 

[Kimmio Laughterlove]

I know ninj didn’t have any ill intent - but it reminds me of this, done a few years ago (which is a protest art piece). It looks like the digital exhibit was taken down, but this article describes it.

What’s the Deal with This Creepy Outdoor Brand’s Website?

In Ours, a digital exhibition for the New Museum, artist Samuel Marion imagines a not too distant future in which outdoor brands use slick advertising to mask more sinister aims

www.outsideonline.com

Wow. This is almost worse than the satirical version. “Ours” was right on point.

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[Kimmio Laughterlove]

Although being included in the community once an adult is very different than growing up with it.

Then there were the kids displaced from their communities through forced adoption, and who long to rediscover connection with them - and that’s not our place to judge them for it.

 

[ChemGal]

Then there were the kids displaced from their communities through forced adoption, and who long to rediscover connection with them - and that’s not our place to judge them for it.

I agree, but differences between growing up with a culture, joining a community later, and connecting with biological roots.

 

[Kimmio Laughterlove]

I agree, but differences between growing up with a culture, joining a community later, and connecting with biological roots.

But who are we to judge the value of those differences?

 

[ChemGal]

But who are we to judge the value of those differences?

Who says I am judging?

 

[Kimmio Laughterlove]

Who says I am judging?

By pointing them out in the first place, you’re suggesting you see differences that you think they need to consider, or we, need to consider on their behalf in order to satisfy our questions about their legitimacy.

 

[paradox3]

The band which claims her as family in Saskatchewan has had a relationship of six decades with her. I don't think anyone is questioning this in any way. If both parties are satisfied with the relationship it's really no one's business.

She made contact with them as a young adult. At different times she has said she might have been born Cree and adopted by the American couple. Recently she stated she doesn't know her origins.

She has had a wonderful career as a musician and indigenous activist. Her American mother was part Mi'kmaq.

My best guess is that she wanted to embellish this part of her identity. Maybe to make her a more convincing advocate.

There are parts of this whole story which seem very odd. Did her mother in fact tell her she adopted? Was her older brother in fact abusive? Sadly the people who could answer these questions are no longer alive.

 

[Luce NDs]

Trribes ... the root word of tribulation that is placed on us by marketing tools and tricks ... sometimes known as rich Dicks!

I don't know but drift lightly through the info observing deeply while others skim over the pool ... word is like that with some skimpy understandings by those dressed in high style ... not the 3 piece suits!