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Jon71 said:
The point is that Jesus IS NOT going against God in blessing a gay couple. There is no contradiction, it's just that your desperation to believe homosexuality is a sin is unsupported by the Bible.[/QUOTE

Marriage is a union of A Man and Women taking vow"s to GOD and each other . It is GODS union of two , to be as one. It never was meant for two of the same sex.This my Belief , I hold from GODS Word.
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BetteTheRed said:
By George, airclean, you're getting it. If you feel that it's wrong for you to act on whichever of your urges you disapprove, don't. You are entitled to control exactly one person's behaviour - your own.
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Hi BetteTheRed--I now truly believe Bette ,you also are not a born again.Now I could be wrong Bette as I have never knelt to pray with you.But feel by what you post . You do not understand the pull in my heart . To try and help someone from falling.That pull I believe come"s from The same person who will one day Judge US ALL. He came the first time to save us . Not to Judge us. But the time will come when HE come"s as Lord Of Lord"s and King of King"s To Rule This World , with a Rod of Iron. I am saved GOD has given me ,the sign"s of that. Ask and you shell receive . Knock and The Door Will Be Opened. Seek and YOU Will Find. NOW, NOW, now is the time.
 
Jon71 said:
I don't deny that some people are pressured into going back into the closet. I've never been given a reason to think that those who want to "cure" people of being gay have ever even once done more that. Lot's of people were "cured" by Exodus and similar groups and told everyone who would listen that they weren't gay. Then they came back out of the closet a second time. In fact two of the guys who helped found Exodus are now happily married to each other. It is so sad that you and others can't accept God's will in making humanity in the diversity that he did, including being gay.
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We are Sinners by birth Jon. But GOD gave us a way to walk with HIM and to learn HIS way's. That way is (Jesus The Christ). Never mind , Me I am just a man who was once a sinner. For get Exodus , and any other group. Pick up your word The Bible . And say a Little prier . Father Help Me A sinner.Open up an go for it . Stay with it. He will teach you all thing"s He who made all thing"s , He will call His Own.
 
Jon71 said:
No it isn't. Try sincerely studying God's word with an open and loving heart.
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Jon71--Here you seem to disagree with GOD. I am sure He will take it up with you very soon. You have more Gut"s than I Jon. I have been a Christian for a few years now . And feel I still have much to learn about the ways of GOD. I am happy to have learn"t that even if it take"s a few thousand year"s He will not give up on me.
 
Jon71 -----Your Quote ------It is so sad that you and others can't accept God's will in making humanity in the diversity that he did, including being gay.

So what about the other diversity Groups you say God Created ------surely the LGBTQ is not the only one ----you can't say one without the others--If that is what you truly believe -----

So your Ok with adults who are just pursuing their sexual desires with minors and calling it loving Jesus -----cause these people are only following their sexual desire like the LGBTQ community -----and your saying it is OK for people to pursue their loving sexual desire to have sex with animals and that both of these are OK in God's eyes and not a sin -----and of course there is S&M and that is OK as well by God -----
 
airclean33 said:
You don't even know or understand it was Christ" who wrote The Bible.
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At most I have heard that Christ "dictated" scripture and folk wrote it verbatim. That is an understanding of scripture which is no longer in vogue.

Most now understand that the Holy Spirit inspired folk to write and those writings we receive as scripture.

The claim that Jesus wrote The Bible fails as fact specifically where we read Paul (for example) saying, "I write this greeting in my own hand" (1 Corinthians 16: 21, Romans 16: 22, Galatians 6: 11, Colossians 4: 18 or 2 Thessalonian 3: 17 among others.

The claim that Jesus wrote the entirety of scripture is a faulty one.
 
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airclean33 said:
My Brother Blackbelt ask me.--why are you so focused on Legalism ? I would have answered my Brother by saying , It is our Father who has wrote in HIS word , how we should see things and act. Would you have I go against Him?
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its also the same Father who fulfilled for us , knowing that we cant and offers Grace to trump, no one is is telling anyone to go against Christ, what im hearing is let all struggle in the own personal walk
 
unsafe said:
Jon71 -----Your Quote ------It is so sad that you and others can't accept God's will in making humanity in the diversity that he did, including being gay.

So what about the other diversity Groups you say God Created ------surely the LGBTQ is not the only one ----you can't say one without the others--If that is what you truly believe -----

So your Ok with adults who are just pursuing their sexual desires with minors and calling it loving Jesus -----cause these people are only following their sexual desire like the LGBTQ community -----and your saying it is OK for people to pursue their loving sexual desire to have sex with animals and that both of these are OK in God's eyes and not a sin -----and of course there is S&M and that is OK as well by God -----
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Having sex with minors is substantially different than a loving homosexual relationship between adults. The former is at best an exploitative relationship, and often a violent one. The latter is based on mutual consent and respect. Belief that a loving and consensual same sex relationship between adults is acceptable to God in no way, shape or form suggests that an exploitative avd violent sexual relationship with a minor is acceptable to God in any way, shape or form. To suggest that the two are related in any way is both absurd and offensive. I won't even get into bestiality.
 
unsafe said:
Jon71 -----Your Quote ------It is so sad that you and others can't accept God's will in making humanity in the diversity that he did, including being gay.

So what about the other diversity Groups you say God Created ------surely the LGBTQ is not the only one ----you can't say one without the others--If that is what you truly believe -----

So your Ok with adults who are just pursuing their sexual desires with minors and calling it loving Jesus -----cause these people are only following their sexual desire like the LGBTQ community -----and your saying it is OK for people to pursue their loving sexual desire to have sex with animals and that both of these are OK in God's eyes and not a sin -----and of course there is S&M and that is OK as well by God -----
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Surely you know that authentic love is not solely dependent on the physically? It is relationship, just as we should have with God. The question is do we want to lie or cover up an authentic love or cause an innocent to stumble by living a lie? Does God not know our hearts? Can God see past the physical and recognize amazing love? I think so.
 
revjohn said:
At most I have heard that Christ "dictated" scripture and folk wrote it verbatim. That is an understanding of scripture which is no longer in vogue.
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QUOTE--Airclean--
True John -- But Gods Word dose say . In Book of JOHN 1: 3--
Jhn 1:3 all things were made through him, and without him was not anything made that was made [/QUOTE]



QUOTE John-Post
Most now understand that the Holy Spirit inspired folk to write and those writings we receive as scripture.[/QUOTE]

QUOTEAirclean--Not sure your post here John . Are you now stating The Christ was not GOD and The Holy Spirit ?[/QUOTE]

John -post-- QUOTE
The claim that Jesus wrote The Bible fails as fact specifically where we read Paul (for example) saying, "I write this greeting in my own hand" (1 Corinthians 16: 21, Romans 16: 22, Galatians 6: 11, Colossians 4: 18 or 2 Thessalonian 3: 17 among others.[/QUOTE]

Airclean--post-QUOTE--
LOL --Our you as a Mister of The U.C.C Now Stating The Apostles Paul was not FULL of GODS Holy Spirit.[/QUOTE]

QUOTE---John-- Post--
The claim that Jesus wrote the entirety of scripture is a faulty one.[/QUOTE]

I believe John The Claim that Jesus The Christ was The same GOD , and Spirit That wrote The Bible though those He Chose.I don't think this is to far off . What anyone full of GODS Holy Spirit would think. These are my thought's John . You can believe as you will. I do not understand how you get by John 1: 3
 
unsafe said:
BetteTheRed ----here is the question I ask -----Can we separate the original sin with the nature we are born with-- that is the sin nature ????---to pursue our worldly sexual desires we wish to pursue outside of God's plan according to scripture and say we are born that way and doing it in the name of Christ and say His Blessing is upon us and those sexual desires are not sinful in the eyes of God so therefore we are not doing it in sin -----and that includes all sexual desires that God says in His word that defiles a man (person)----There is only one sexual desire that I have read in God's word that is good in God's eyes and that is between a Man and a Woman who become one flesh through marriage -----Mark 10 :8 -----So what do you tell the young ones about why they are different and are born that way ????

So what is your answer -------where do you get your take on the fact that you feel God has made a person at birth LGBTQ and it is a gift from God and not from the fall of man ------Please answer the question ------
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I believe that the diversity of humanity is a blessing from God - green eyes, good at math, artistic ability, gay, nice voice, excellent decorating sense. (Although, I actually agree that there seem to be a small portion of the population who can be defined as psychopathic/sociopathic, and I'm not sure why that is or what to do about it.)

(I don't actually believe in the theology behind the "fall", preferring the original Jewish interpretation that the story represents a metaphor for humanity's rise into self-consciousness.)
 
Is diversity plastic ... like God's soul? No one seems to know gods thoughts as they fall all over them in a stunned state of emotional irony.

Odd thing when exposed to extreme light ... this can be hammered into a shape of a fair iron ... ferrous can be? Human authority tends towards un-fair Ness ... really dark when encountered! Not like a maze in grace of an internal given sense ... strange senses can pick up on hidden understanding by means of subtle Tyes ... Y-Ayre 'd connections?
 
revsdd your quote -----Having sex with minors is substantially different than a loving homosexual relationship between adults

Your all ducking the question ------is homosexuality a gift from God or a gift from the fall of man ------which is it ------and can we separate the fall of man from our sin nature -and say homosexuality is a gift from God ----just like all the other groups could claim ------Morally the other groups could claim the same---it is a gift from God scenario ----- what is good for one group is good for all others they could claim

So what you are saying is it is OK for the LGBTQ GROUP but it is not for any other group because what they do is not in the name of love -------even though ----God's word says sexual immorality is undesirable -----and lists homosexuality as a sexual desire that is undesirable in God's eyes ----

So here is the question to anyone ????---------Can we separate the original sin with the nature we are born with-- that is the sin nature ????---to pursue our worldly sexual desires we wish to pursue outside of God's plan according to scripture and say we are born that way and doing it in the name of Christ and say His Blessing is upon us and those sexual desires are not sinful in the eyes of God so therefore we are not doing it in sin -----and that includes all sexual desires that God says in His word that defiles a man (person)----There is only one sexual desire that I have read in God's word that is good in God's eyes and that is between a Man and a Woman who become one flesh through marriage -----Mark 10 :8 -----So what do you tell the young ones about why they are different and are born that way ????
 
Would dealing with institutional mental facets cause wee children to become stoic? No giggles and RIFTS or RIPPLES allowed in solid forms ... such mires distort the image ...
 
unsafe said:

So here is the question to anyone ????---------Can we separate the original sin with the nature we are born with-- that is the sin nature ????---to pursue our worldly sexual desires we wish to pursue outside of God's plan according to scripture and say we are born that way and doing it in the name of Christ and say His Blessing is upon us and those sexual desires are not sinful in the eyes of God so therefore we are not doing it in sin -----and that includes all sexual desires that God says in His word that defiles a man (person)----There is only one sexual desire that I have read in God's word that is good in God's eyes and that is between a Man and a Woman who become one flesh through marriage -----Mark 10 :8 -----So what do you tell the young ones about why they are different and are born that way ????
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https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans+8:38-39
 
blackbelt1961 said:
its also the same Father who fulfilled for us , knowing that we cant and offers Grace to trump, no one is is telling anyone to go against Christ, what im hearing is let all struggle in the own personal walk
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OK Brother Tell me . Do you believe as GODS Word that it states . A man shell not lay with a man , as with a women. Nor a women Lay with a women as with a Man?
 
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