An article "The church is killing its gay kids"

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This comment was made by -revsdd ------ it seems that if you happen to believe that homosexuality is not a sin, then you must not believe that anything is a sin. It's a ridiculous idea, but it's been expressed by more than one person in this thread.

So here is the question to anyone ????---------Can we separate the original sin with the nature we are born with-- that is the sin nature ????---to pursue our worldly sexual desires we wish to pursue outside of God's plan according to scripture and say we are born that way and doing it in the name of Christ and say His Blessing is upon us and those sexual desires are not sinful in the eyes of God so therefore we are not doing it in sin -----and that includes all sexual desires that God says in His word that defiles a man (person)----There is only one sexual desire that I have read in God's word that is good in God's eyes and that is between a Man and a Woman who become one flesh through marriage -----Mark 10 :8 -----So what do you tell the young ones about why they are different and are born that way ????

If God's word says that homosexuality is a sin and we humans are saying it isn't ---do we trump God's word ------here are quite a few scripture on this subject ---http://www.openbible.info/topics/homosexuality ---this is one ---

1 Corinthians 6 :9-10----read all chapter here https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Corinthians+6&version=ESV

9 Or do you not know that the unrighteous[a]will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived:(A)neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality,[b]10 nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.

So --- DOES it leave the door open for the LGBTQ people and others to claim they are not practicing sexual sin in their pursuit for their desires --For Example ----an adult person who wants to have sex with a child then becomes open season to say that is not a sin either -----or for a person who is attracted to have sex with animals ----or people who can engage in Multiple sex partners at once -----People who like whips and chains S&M--- if it is OK for one group then why do we get all upset for the others who are practicing sexual immorality ---no where in the Bible is the word Pedophile mentioned so is this a sin ???? --- the pedophile might argue that it is not a sin just like the LGBTQ says they are not sinning ------- and No where in the Bible does it mention people who pursue S&M for their desires --- So all these groups could say they are not sinners either and so it goes on ----so Where is God in all of this who says that in His eyes it is disobeying His will for us in gratifying our human fallen sexual desires -----dabbling in sexual sin -and lusting after fleshy desires defiles a person says God ----

So lets here now how of us many will use this copout phrase ---OH Just Great !!!!!---now your lumping the LGBTQ group in with child molesters and bestiality and S&M -- Homosexuality doesn't hurt children ---or have sex with animals ----or use whips and chains -- their not hurting anyone -----they don't have multiple partners and what they do is not classed as a sin ------so for this group the LGBTQ it is not practicing sin but the others are disgusting and should be under the umbrella of WHAT -----

I'm sure Many Pedophiles have gone for help and not been cured ----Probably many from the other groups have gone for help with no luck ---does that say it is from God ??????????

All of these groups have the same thing in common ------Human physical attraction --- Human sexual desires -----sexual gratification ---all could claim that God created them that way and therefore He must have wanted this for them so by pursuing the gift God gave them they are not committing sin cause it is not listed in the Bible and they were born this way ----

What say you -----
 
Should mire humans a critters raised from dust know the dangers of God as Love and over expression of duplicates?

Some industrialists hell bent for money instead of learning ... drift this way .... institutionally ... unchangingly .. and thus not learning a thing ... as stated by Mark 8:36 on the loosing of mind (d'sole)? Tis a grand phesh myth ... some say phi Smith or the love of irony ... corn bread serving as sop ... A' Sops Fable?
 
Unsafe, you're quite right that the Bible doesn't condemn a lot of specific things. Like computers, or the vagaries of their use - positive and negative. Like the concept of consent. Whether we like it or not, the Bible was written in an age and a context in which women's rights, animal rights, children's rights, were non-existent - they were all property of men. Indeed, with the pervasiveness of slavery, not even all men had what we'd consider basic human rights.

You can argue individual bits of scripture until you're blue in the face. You don't read the original language. Check out that passage from 1st Corinthians in a bunch of different translations. You'll discover that two words of the original Greek - arsenokoites and malakos - have a variety of different meanings, depending on the translation. The first word appears to be one that Paul made up, the second one means soft. The latter is sometimes translated effeminate, but in that case the condemnation would be on the actual orientation, not the actions, which is what you are arguing.

Biblical support for gay bashing is very weak. You'd be MUCH better working on getting rid of divorce if you're truly committed to Biblical principles a la Jesus.
 
Sorry RitaTG. But since another has post against me here . That person being Jon 71 .I will break my word . And come back into this thread. airclean33
 
This being so much Bull. Do you really believe The Christ would go against GOD The Father? You don't even know or understand it was Christ" who wrote The Bible. Do not believe your self a Christian.By your own words you show different". Airclean33
Really airclean? You're really going to imply Jon's not a Christian over something like this? A word study?
 
You're correct but there's a reason why people get that wrong. Some people say "lifestyle" in order to disregard the fact that a persons sexual orientation is a deeply intrinsic part of who they are. The word lifestyle leads people to equate it with partying on something like that as opposed to being the person that God made them to be.
You seem to have some mental problem Jon.GOD mad a gay person gay. Then told the rest of Israel to Kill Them? Also that if they acted on the way GOD made them . He would Kill Them?
 
This being so much Bull. Do you really believe The Christ would go against GOD The Father? You don't even know or understand it was Christ" who wrote The Bible. Do not believe your self a Christian.By your own words you show different". Airclean33

The point is that Jesus IS NOT going against God in blessing a gay couple. There is no contradiction, it's just that your desperation to believe homosexuality is a sin is unsupported by the Bible.
 
And was Jesus "going against God the Father" when he told his followers that all food is clean? After all, God had declared shrimp an "abomination" (actually t'oevah, "ritually unclean").
 
In some parts of the world they will kill you for being a Christian. Is that a sign that being a Christian is wrong? Personally I think it's being homicidally intolerant that is the problem but maybe I'm just funny that way. Also, a point to ponder; a lot of the countries that will kill people for being gay and the countries that will kill someone for being a Christian are the same countries. I.S.I.L. held territory is the most extreme example of that.
I was referring that many other belief"s in the world find a Gay person ,against there beliefs. Even to have made it a death penalty to be gay. As a Born again Christ, Jon. I must give you the choice to chose. I myself find it wrong to act on it but I cannot chose for you.Just for the record I AM NOT I.S.I.L nor have I ever been.
 
By George, airclean, you're getting it. If you feel that it's wrong for you to act on whichever of your urges you disapprove, don't. You are entitled to control exactly one person's behaviour - your own.
 
Sadly people want God to endorse their pettiest prejudices. Back in the bad old days of Jim Crow the segregationists quoted the Bible every chance they got to "prove" that God agreed with them and if anyone disagreed with them they were disagreeing with God too. Of course they were twisting and perverting the scripture and we know that now but so many people accepted that in the day. 50 to 100 years from now the anti-gay rights people will be viewed exactly like the segregationists are viewed today.
My Brother Blackbelt ask me.--why are you so focused on Legalism ? I would have answered my Brother by saying , It is our Father who has wrote in HIS word , how we should see things and act. Would you have I go against Him?
 
BetteTheRed ----here is the question I ask -----Can we separate the original sin with the nature we are born with-- that is the sin nature ????---to pursue our worldly sexual desires we wish to pursue outside of God's plan according to scripture and say we are born that way and doing it in the name of Christ and say His Blessing is upon us and those sexual desires are not sinful in the eyes of God so therefore we are not doing it in sin -----and that includes all sexual desires that God says in His word that defiles a man (person)----There is only one sexual desire that I have read in God's word that is good in God's eyes and that is between a Man and a Woman who become one flesh through marriage -----Mark 10 :8 -----So what do you tell the young ones about why they are different and are born that way ????

So what is your answer -------where do you get your take on the fact that you feel God has made a person at birth LGBTQ and it is a gift from God and not from the fall of man ------Please answer the question ------
 
I think it's worth noting that on this forum and throughout the world there are lots of gay people who are born again, who love Jesus, who do their best to follow the Bible and who are completely gay. Apparently God is o.k. with that.
I know of one here on Wondercafe two. Her name is Unsafe. Yet you don't believe her as well. She even post another person who was in a gay relationship. That now preaches to others. But you do not here.I wonder how many of those on this thread even watched the vid . I believe one even said it took to much of her life time to watch it, sad.
 
My Brother Blackbelt ask me.--why are you so focused on Legalism ? I would have answered my Brother by saying , It is our Father who has wrote in HIS word , how we should see things and act. Would you have I go against Him?


Legalism can often be the stumbling block we were warned about in Romans 14:13-14.
 
You're correct but there's a reason why people get that wrong. Some people say "lifestyle" in order to disregard the fact that a persons sexual orientation is a deeply intrinsic part of who they are. The word lifestyle leads people to equate it with partying on something like that as opposed to being the person that God made them to be.
This again is not true Jon.
The point is that Jesus IS NOT going against God in blessing a gay couple. There is no contradiction, it's just that your desperation to believe homosexuality is a sin is unsupported by the Bible.
Again you wish to play on words.. You are right have Homosexual feels as far as I can tell from GODS word Is not wrong. How ever ACTING ON THAT FEELINGS , is wrong By GODS Word.
 
I know of one here on Wondercafe two. Her name is Unsafe. Yet you don't believe her as well. She even post another person who was in a gay relationship. That now preaches to others. But you do not here.I wonder how many of those on this thread even watched the vid . I believe one even said it took to much of her life time to watch it, sad.


I don't deny that some people are pressured into going back into the closet. I've never been given a reason to think that those who want to "cure" people of being gay have ever even once done more that. Lot's of people were "cured" by Exodus and similar groups and told everyone who would listen that they weren't gay. Then they came back out of the closet a second time. In fact two of the guys who helped found Exodus are now happily married to each other. It is so sad that you and others can't accept God's will in making humanity in the diversity that he did, including being gay.
 
This again is not true Jon.

Again you wish to play on words.. You are right have Homosexual feels as far as I can tell from GODS word Is not wrong. How ever ACTING ON THAT FEELINGS , is wrong By GODS Word.

No it isn't. Try sincerely studying God's word with an open and loving heart.
 
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