Today they teach to love the sinner but not the sin (homosexuality), yesterday they taught to segregate black people, women, natives that were heathens, etc...... Are you going to tell us that the Holy Spirit is involved?
An article "The church is killing its gay kids"
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Delightful Life
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Similar to how a human being can test reality to find out the natural laws of reality, how they work, what is impossible, what is permitted?
Do you think that sins can be relational and culture & time-specific?
airclean33
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--OK-- RitaTG Thank you it is my mistake . Sorry airclean33
blackbelt1961
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same thing, separation
airclean33
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-- I believe I understand what your getting at Blackbelt. For I to really don"t like telling others it seems wrong what you are doing. I would rather give GODS words to read and let them decide right or wrong for them self"s.Peace brother. airclean33-Gord.
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well, that doesn't seem like any explanation at all?
even if it does make sense to you
there should be reasons for these things asides from 'because i, g_d, said so'
can you see how that is arbitrary?
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the word murder, which means something, is a legal term
the concept of murder, however, is a much broader concept -- the unjustified taking of a human life and that probably has been around as long as humans have had a civilization...i think that in order for justice to exist, we need a civilization, which means laws, courts, culture, etc...
and it fits in with your BS -- because you believe that an all-loving creator g_d created everything perfectly, yet humanity right now isn't perfect (murders, rapes, etc), there has to be an explanation for that, making it humanity's fault, some inner taint of theirs...because your g_d would never create such a beast
except, of course, the times in the bibble where g_d commands and gives the ok for people to murder, rape, abuse & kill each other
and since your g_d doesn't change, is the same now as then, i'd be very, very concerned...i know where you put all your marbles -- in with a traitor to the human race...instead of with the imperfect, struggling, species that you belong to...but that's what happens when one takes things like g_d, moses, cain, the serpent literally...or something like that...
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blackbelt1961
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i never commented on what God said, by comment was it separates our relationship with the Creator
RitaTG
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Thank you blackbelt ..... a clear answer....
Now if you care to ..... perhaps share the reasons you see it as sin?
Please remember ... what you think and why you think it matters to the young ones we are discussing.
We will keep the conversation civil of course ..... I know you are good at that.
Also ... perhaps we could explore in keeping with Romans 14 how such viewpoints should be shared with those that think otherwise. Especially if those affected are young and vulnerable.
Thank you
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i guess then you are saying that there really IS no fruit
you just have to accept the arbitrariness of it
doesn't it bother you at all? aren't you curious at all? don't you want to know why something like homosexuality would separate you from your Creator?
blackbelt1961
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Rita , i really don't want to go down that rd sorry , all i will say is , from Genesis to Revelations and all in between I see what was once created a perfect order by the Creator, fall into depravity for a time and will be restored once more at a future time
airclean33
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--Hi Waterfall --As I said before it seems you are falling back from GOD. I would like to see you come forth with more of His Word. I read some of those you posted from. Myself I found them wanting. some even mixed up. But those are my thoughts you may see things different. I don't know all the things The Holy Spirit is involved in.I hardly think He is a part of putting People down. I believe GOD made everyone. John 3 --16 Tells us He loved the world . Even as it was in sin. I also believe He will not except sin in His Kingdom. So as I said before the reason He sent His son The Christ. Color, or gender, don"t seem to make a different"s . Sin is the big one the problem is there are many ways to sin. Part of my prayer every night is asking GOD to forgive the sin's I have done and the sin's I may have done not knowing.I am a born again so my belief is I don't really have a lot to worry about in that area. But we don't get points take off, for asking GOD to forgive. us.Behind the wheel of a car , seem to bring much of that old self out for me . It is hard to remember I must still love those who cut me off.
Anything that goes against God's essential character is sin. Some would argue that homosexual behavior is sin, because it goes against God's wisdom for how human sexual relations should be conducted. Since people engaging in it are acting against God, the argument goes, they are separated from God who demands perfect alignment with his ways.
RitaTG
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Fair enough blackbelt ......
And of course I disagree....
Please make sure the young ones know that this is your own belief and they are entitled to their own sincere considered interpretation of scripture as well.
Thank you
What did you find wanting and mixed up? Just curious.
blackbelt1961
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I look to when Adam sinned the first sin , He was naked , walking with God, then poof, after Adam sins, he is now ashamed of his nakedness in Gods Presence , why should Adam be ashamed? after all God Created him as such, what has happened in Adams mind that he should be ashamed, cover himself and hide from God (separation )? how did this act of not trusting what God said cause a stir in there Relationship ?
my understanding is , a complete 100% pure loving relationship between 2 beings requires 100% Trust, break that trust and the relationship begins to die, sin breaks that trust between us and God ,we rely more on man self (ego) rather than God and our relationship fades away
we see this relationship in Jesus and His Father, 100% trust, right on to death
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First airclean, please don't call me, "Minister." There's no need to be insulting
Second, I don't usually use the terms, "born again," or, "born again Christian," because they have become such clichés.
Third, a born again is, I would say, a broken person who has been saved by God's grace, given a new identity in Christ, and become a co-inheritor with Christ of the Kingdom of Heaven.
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Point is, reputable scholars/translation experts can parse that one little phrase in Verse 7 in three distinctly different ways, to mean three quite different things. Which is "God"'s translation?
airclean33
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Inanna-- Here once more you and I do not agree. First think what your saying. I didn't come from this world. Oh my body did. but GOD put something in the body that comes through HIM.He calls it the breath of life. I see your understanding is off some what. Start at the beginning and read again slow.If GOD made, you He can and has the right to destroy you dose He not?I live because of His will. I am saved by His Grace. This is my belief. Or perhaps you are a believer you swung out of the trees.Then may be you are right and you really are an animal killer . It is true GOD has ordered some people killed. He even destroyed two city"s turned them to dust(.Are you GOD) that knows what will be?Do you know were the next Hitler will come from? Can you say were the anti christ is today ? God knows all thing's He will chose were, how, and who will be involved and at what time.