An article "The church is killing its gay kids"

[LoveGodLoveMan]

• μαλακός, malakós, m: the passive male partner in homosexual intercourse--'homosexual.’ For a context of malakós, see 1 Cor 6:9–10 in 88.280. As in Greek, a number of other languages also have entirely distinct terms for the active and passive roles in homosexual intercourse.
  • Louw, Johannes P., and Eugene Albert Nida. Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament: Based on Semantic Domains. electronic ed. of the 2nd edition. New York: United Bible Societies, 1996.

 

[LoveGodLoveMan]

Well I would still be interested in you opinion of the article after reading the whole thing.

I have not read that article but I have read Matthew Vines Commentary which is the basis of the article. Mr. Vines goes against his own scholarship and that of every other Geeek scholar on the word in question. Note the Lexicon reference in my last post.

 

[airclean33]

Am I your sister too airclean?

--Hi Waterfall --I had thought you were. Then you seem to be going away from GOD. I do not like judging those who walk with Christ. For I understand we do not always see what Jesus may be doing with them. Each must walk in her or his way with are Lord.

I will how ever try to help a sister or brother understand something if I believe they seem mixed up. Like your post here.

LoveGodLoveMan said: ↑
Yes I am aware. It is irrelevant however because the original language makes it clear what type of sexual behavior the writer is referencing. We call it same sex, homosexual but it's the same behavior that is identified as sinful
[/QUOTE]-Waterfall--
Not sure how you arrived at that conclusion after reading the article, unless you chose the first option that was offered within the beginning of the article, which states no further effort required to understand.

[/QUOTE]--airclean-- Do you feel the Word of GOD is wrong here? Or just there is a part you should not read?I do not always understand what GOD is saying, in His word . But am not above asking God to show me. Or even another Christian who could help.

 

[Mendalla]

Sinful desires imho - the desire to murder, the desire to assault, the desire to steal, the desire to enslave.

All about taking, in the end. Taking life, taking health, taking property, taking freedom. It is the desire to "take", to possess and control others or their lives, that underlies all of them and much of what I would call "sin".

 

[Waterfall]

• μαλακός, malakós, m: the passive male partner in homosexual intercourse--'homosexual.’ For a context of malakós, see 1 Cor 6:9–10 in 88.280. As in Greek, a number of other languages also have entirely distinct terms for the active and passive roles in homosexual intercourse.
  • Louw, Johannes P., and Eugene Albert Nida. Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament: Based on Semantic Domains. electronic ed. of the 2nd edition. New York: United Bible Societies, 1996.

I guess it all depends on what you want to believe is true.

http://stopbibleabuse.org/biblical-references/paul/malakos.html

 

[Waterfall]

[/QUOTE]--airclean-- Do you feel the Word of GOD is wrong here? Or just there is a part you should not read?I do not always understand what GOD is saying, in His word . But am not above asking God to show me. Or even another Christian who could help.[/QUOTE]

I believe that "the world" can corrupt God's word with the wrong translation through ignorance.

 

[Jaebius]

--I believe as you'v posted here is just wrong. Would you like to show your Idea , a little more.Could you show once were GOD said it was O-K?

The concept of homosexuality as we now normatively think of it did not exist until sometime after the biblical canon was closed. That being the case, how could the human authors of the Bible include a direct command against it? airclean, you ask if I can quote where God says that homosexuality as we know it today is OK. I cannot, and I don't believe anyone else can either. If that's the case, what are we to say - we are left without both a direct command that it's sinful, and a word from God that it's OK. Homosexuals have been a people group that has long been oppressed by shaming, and sometimes worse because of who they choose to love. How shall you and I treat them? What would Jesus do.

 

[Waterfall]

All about taking, in the end. Taking life, taking health, taking property, taking freedom. It is the desire to "take", to possess and control others or their lives, that underlies all of them and much of what I would call "sin".

Sounds like "Malakos", slavery, taking away freedom, etc....

 

[Mendalla]

Sounds like "Malakos", slavery, taking away freedom, etc....

Reading the article you linked, I would agree.

 

[airclean33]

All about taking, in the end. Taking life, taking health, taking property, taking freedom. It is the desire to "take", to possess and control others or their lives, that underlies all of them and much of what I would call "sin"

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--Hi Mendalla and yet GOD says those who follow satan have a father of Liars for a god. Is telling a Lie one of the worse things you can do??

 

[Mendalla]

--Hi Mendalla and yet GOD says those who follow satan have a father of Liars for a god. Is telling a Lie one of the worse things you can do??

Depends on the lie and its effects. I would say that enslaving or harming a person is far worse than lying about something minor and day-to-day ("the dog ate my homework") but effectively enslaving someone by lying to them ("Only I can save your mother's life, you must do this for me, though" when that isn't actually true) or lying to cause harm to someone (e.g. "He did it" when he didn't) is pretty serious stuff. Adultery is another fairly serious lie (and that's what make it a "sin" for me), since you're manipulating relationships out of a desire to fulfill your desires in a way that harms others.

 

[Luce NDs]

If love and desire is sinful ... along with the desire for knowledge and wisdom ... what's left? Nothing!

Can you imagine real people making something of nothing? Good Lord humans can make a disturbance without even trying ...

 

[Seeler]

Yes I am aware. It is irrelevant however because the original language makes it clear what type of sexual behavior the writer is referencing. We call it same sex, homosexual but it's the same behavior that is identified as sinful

Read the article again LoveG... . The original language definitely does not 'make it clear'.

 

[LoveGodLoveMan]

Read the article again LoveG... . The original language definitely does not 'make it clear'.

The article is just that....an article. The leading Greek and Hebrew scholars agree that the Bible classifies same sex activity as sinful. You do not have to agree with the Bible but it is clear and repeatedly so that same sex activity is abominable to the God of the Bible.

Now, we are not talking about love here but the sexual activity between persons of the same sex. I deeply and affectionately love many people but do not have a sexual relationship with them. Love and affection is not the problem. The sin is the sexual act!

 

[LoveGodLoveMan]

Leviticus 20:13 ESV
If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination;

Romans 1:26-28 ESV
For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error. And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a debased mind to do what ought not to be done.

 

[BetteTheRed]

...The leading Greek and Hebrew scholars agree that the Bible classifies same sex activity as sinful. You do not have to agree with the Bible but it is clear and repeatedly so that same sex activity is abominable to the God of the Bible.

Now, we are not talking about love here but the sexual activity between persons of the same sex. I deeply and affectionately love many people but do not have a sexual relationship with them. Love and affection is not the problem. The sin is the sexual act!

There are many other prominent and peer reviewed Christian scholars who would disagree with your opinions above. Not only is translation a very inexact science (why else would there be 52 English translations available on Biblegateway?), but there have been many, many attempts to figure out how to take a 1st century Palestine's religious view of the world and make it applicable as a world-wide religion.

Now, to the point at hand. Which specific sexual act is the problem, in your view? What does you worldview make of Intersex and Transgendered people?

 

[Jaebius]

The article is just that....an article. The leading Greek and Hebrew scholars agree that the Bible classifies same sex activity as sinful. You do not have to agree with the Bible but it is clear and repeatedly so that same sex activity is abominable to the God of the Bible.

Now, we are not talking about love here but the sexual activity between persons of the same sex. I deeply and affectionately love many people but do not have a sexual relationship with them. Love and affection is not the problem. The sin is the sexual act!

Names of the scholars, with citations of their works on the issues currently being discussed here would be appreciated. Thank you.

 

[LoveGodLoveMan]

It is clear that God has revealed His will concerning marriage and sexuality. However, I personally and as a follower of Jesus Christ am not here to condemn or judge anyone. Christ has compelled me to love my neighbor as myself Galatians 5:14.

 

[airclean33]

--airclean-- Do you feel the Word of GOD is wrong here? Or just there is a part you should not read?I do not always understand what GOD is saying, in His word . But am not above asking God to show me. Or even another Christian who could help.[/QUOTE]

I believe that "the world" can corrupt God's word with the wrong translation through ignorance.

[/QUOTE]-Really Waterfall you see I follow a living GOD . So tell me who there is that can corrupt GODS living Holy Spirit?

 

[LoveGodLoveMan]

There are many other prominent and peer reviewed Christian scholars who would disagree with your opinions above. Not only is translation a very inexact science (why else would there be 52 English translations available on Biblegateway?), but there have been many, many attempts to figure out how to take a 1st century Palestine's religious view of the world and make it applicable as a world-wide religion.

Now, to the point at hand. Which specific sexual act is the problem, in your view? What does you worldview make of Intersex and Transgendered people?

A scholar is not the same as someone who can read and write the original languages. When I say "scholar" that is my meaning. There is not one Greek or Hebrew scholar who would dispute that the Hebrew and Greek scriptures condemns same sex activity. Even Vines admits that but still asserts his own belief that God permits loving, monogamous same sex relationships today.