Would you please quote the scripture that states which sexual activity is sinful?
An article "The church is killing its gay kids"
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LoveGodLoveMan
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Those passages are easily found in the OT and NT. I listed some in a previous comment. There are repeated commands against fornication (sex outside of marriage), adultery, prostitution, and same sex activity.
Easy, being gay is not a sin. God made people gay just like He made people straight and He did so without error. I support gay rights foremost because I believe in the inerrancy of God.
LoveGodLoveMan
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Leviticus 18:22 ESV
You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination.
1 Corinthians 6:9-11 ESV
Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.
Romans 1:26-28 ESV
For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error. And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a debased mind to do what ought not to be done.
You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination.
1 Corinthians 6:9-11 ESV
Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.
Romans 1:26-28 ESV
For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error. And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a debased mind to do what ought not to be done.
unsafe
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Hi LoveGodLoveMan -----Welcome to Wonder Café 2 -----your quote --- We all have desires that go against our own morality that we have to subjegate to our will.
-----and this is not an easy task to do submitting to God's will takes much practice and a strong commitment to be Christ like ----it involves not just laying down our will but it includes a mind change -----scripture says be not conformed to this world's way of thinking but be change by the renewing of your mind so after we are Born Again we have much work to do that is start working to lay down our will and our old way of thinking ---- it is not easy and takes much discipline on our part ----and most humans have not the stamina to carry the work through ---Grace helps this process by giving us the ability to accomplish God's will for us but we have to want to do the work -----
Easy to talk the talk --much harder to actually walk the walk -----we have to really want to accomplish the desired goal -----
-----and this is not an easy task to do submitting to God's will takes much practice and a strong commitment to be Christ like ----it involves not just laying down our will but it includes a mind change -----scripture says be not conformed to this world's way of thinking but be change by the renewing of your mind so after we are Born Again we have much work to do that is start working to lay down our will and our old way of thinking ---- it is not easy and takes much discipline on our part ----and most humans have not the stamina to carry the work through ---Grace helps this process by giving us the ability to accomplish God's will for us but we have to want to do the work -----
Easy to talk the talk --much harder to actually walk the walk -----we have to really want to accomplish the desired goal -----
LoveGodLoveMan
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My desire is to focus on loving every person despite their sexuality. Jesus said His followers would be known by their love. May God help us to have love and compassion on everyone even when we disagree with their lifestyle including their sexuality.
LoveGodLoveMan
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It seems some here are more concerned with bashing Christian beliefs or religion in general than discussing treating gay youth with compassion and dignity.
Sinful desires imho - the desire to murder, the desire to assault, the desire to steal, the desire to enslave.
Are you aware that the word "homosexual" was only created in the 19th century?
I've posted this before but you may want to read it too.
http://www.religioustolerance.org/homarsen.htm
airclean33
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--Hi Jon71--So then am I to understand God also made drunks , Murders, adulterers, and sinners as well. As a man you and I know I take it how men feel about women. Should we then act on our feelings? Should we just do as we are made to do in your Idea. Humankind are killers by birth. Should we all act on this?I think not Thanks to God we have come to understand our mines an how it betrays the kind of person GOD wishes us to be.There is nothing wrong in sex. Except that which GOD has said not to do. Taking it out of GODS Word don't make it right. I have admitted as a man, I think wrongly of women.I was born a Man I can not help that. I can how ever control it. As I do, with the killer part of me.Humans are a very mixed up creature with many different thoughts. GOD has given us orders not to act on some. Our forefather had but one. Do not touch the tree which GOD said not to.Then do you believe you will do any better, by saying it is ok to disobey GOD?
LoveGodLoveMan
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Yes I am aware. It is irrelevant however because the original language makes it clear what type of sexual behavior the writer is referencing. We call it same sex, homosexual but it's the same behavior that is identified as sinful
This comes down to whether you believe homosexuality is a part of nature or nuture. Most homosexuals will tell you they were born this way and not something they chose.
Not sure how you arrived at that conclusion after reading the article, unless you chose the first option that was offered within the beginning of the article, which states no further effort required to understand.
When it comes to same sex activity, there are commands against some forms of it. There is no direct command against same sex relationships as we know them today.
airclean33
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-- Hi Unsafe-- I am afraid the new member Love Man Love God. May not understand your post as well as I do. I give Glory and thanks to GOD for you. I pray He always walks with you and am proud to call you Sister. airclaen33-Gord.
Am I your sister too airclean?
airclean33
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--I believe as you'v posted here is just wrong. Would you like to show your Idea , a little more.Could you show once were GOD said it was O-K?
LoveGodLoveMan
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I did not read the article. I have put a lot of effort however into understanding the Bible. Beginning in 1984 I entered Seminary and studied both 1st and 2nd Corinthians and the common Greek language in which they were written. In the passage I referenced, "The words men who have sex with mentranslate two Greek words that refer to the passive and active participants in homosexual acts." That is an editors note from the NIV translation.
unsafe
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LoveGodLoveMan your quote ----My desire is to focus on loving every person despite their sexuality.
And that is a good place to start but again Agape which is God's love is hard to come by it is The first fruit of the Spirit so you have to have the Holy Spirit to really and truly love like God and not harbour any ill feelings to you neighbour ----God is Love and first we are to Love God with all our Heart --all our Mind and all our Soul and then we are to love our neighbour like Jesus loved us -----He died shed His Blood to set us free from sin and death ----Grace has to be Preached in Churches to gay people and most are still preaching the Law and we are not under this Law now ----we are under the Covenant of Grace ----Grace forgives all sin past present and future ------I don't believe God would want any one going from person to person just for the desire of sex this is not God's will for our lives ----under Grace ( The Born Again person ) I do believe that if a person finds their partner in life be it either gay or straight and stays true to that person practicing monogamy and casting down all desires to wonder are truly practicing Grace --Grace who is Jesus gives us the ability to stay out of sin as Grace strengthens us in our weaknesses to control and cast down the desire to wonder but again this takes practice and strength on our part -----
Gay people need to hear Grace preached and understand that there is forgiveness for them as there is for all man kind in their sin nature state and that God loves them and all His Creation in their Human sin nature state that we all are born with a sin nature because of Adam's disobedience ---Grace does not give us a license to sin but if we do miss the Mark we are forgiven --that is God's Promise under Grace ----God Blessing under Grace is for all who accept His Son -----no matter what our past once was ----
And that is a good place to start but again Agape which is God's love is hard to come by it is The first fruit of the Spirit so you have to have the Holy Spirit to really and truly love like God and not harbour any ill feelings to you neighbour ----God is Love and first we are to Love God with all our Heart --all our Mind and all our Soul and then we are to love our neighbour like Jesus loved us -----He died shed His Blood to set us free from sin and death ----Grace has to be Preached in Churches to gay people and most are still preaching the Law and we are not under this Law now ----we are under the Covenant of Grace ----Grace forgives all sin past present and future ------I don't believe God would want any one going from person to person just for the desire of sex this is not God's will for our lives ----under Grace ( The Born Again person ) I do believe that if a person finds their partner in life be it either gay or straight and stays true to that person practicing monogamy and casting down all desires to wonder are truly practicing Grace --Grace who is Jesus gives us the ability to stay out of sin as Grace strengthens us in our weaknesses to control and cast down the desire to wonder but again this takes practice and strength on our part -----
Gay people need to hear Grace preached and understand that there is forgiveness for them as there is for all man kind in their sin nature state and that God loves them and all His Creation in their Human sin nature state that we all are born with a sin nature because of Adam's disobedience ---Grace does not give us a license to sin but if we do miss the Mark we are forgiven --that is God's Promise under Grace ----God Blessing under Grace is for all who accept His Son -----no matter what our past once was ----
Well I would still be interested in you opinion of the article after reading the whole thing.