An article "The church is killing its gay kids"

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Waterfall said:
I'm looking more for studies on gay teens specifically.
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Google: gay teen suicide peer reviewed. There's lots, from lots of countries. It would seem that the cultural stigma suffered by the LGBTQ community, HISTORICALLY led by religion, causes their members to suffer disproportionately from mental illness, particularly depression, a known cause of suicide.
 
Seeler said:
Rita, I find this post very upsetting. I realize that it was directed to unsafe but seems to speak about all Christians - quote 'we have to leave the christianity behind.'
For the past year I've been working on a committee in my congregation moving towards having our church become officially affirming. For the fall we are working to have a school teacher involved with the Gay/Strait Alliance at a nearby high school speak to us during our morning worship service and answer questions during coffee hour. She special concern is homelessness among GLBT-- youth. But reading your comments and those of Chansen it seems that I've been wasting my time.
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I just wanted to share, seeler, that I'm sure that they're not talking about all Christians, and particularly not about those who have achieved, or are working towards, the Affirm designation.

My primary reason for pursuing the Affirm designation (it started as 'my' project, in that I am on the FFCE team that proposed it, and was the Chair of the Board who shepherded it along, as well as being on the actual Affirm team) was our geographic location. Our building is directly in the middle of two high schools and a block away from the local community college.
 
Christian; a term that some people believe means one thing and do not see the possibility of the variants in the light of passions (jae Sous'd?). All things have variants ... including thinkers in a church ... that those that would "rather not think" refer to as church demons or dissonant type that become unravelled by/of constricting passions ...

There are ineffable words for such people that can cause rise in the church community depending on their perspective of widely encompassing wisdom! Thus the Greek ohm egad ... or the simple Ω to hide what is there about to bust out ... these can be hearth felt compassions for general warmth and outrages laughter to those unsettled by background giggles ... they should continue to fish for that which they believe improbable, or problematic to simple views (perspectives)?
 
Sometime this is enough to gag the all consuming Sow overhead ... and thus heavenly fallout? The night sky does appear to stir in great circles ... eternal lapses as old as time or infinite laps as a come about?
 
Seeler said:
Rita, I find this post very upsetting. I realize that it was directed to unsafe but seems to speak about all Christians - quote 'we have to leave the christianity behind.'
For the past year I've been working on a committee in my congregation moving towards having our church become officially affirming. For the fall we are working to have a school teacher involved with the Gay/Strait Alliance at a nearby high school speak to us during our morning worship service and answer questions during coffee hour. She special concern is homelessness among GLBT-- youth. But reading your comments and those of Chansen it seems that I've been wasting my time.
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Hello Seeler .... I am sorry you are upset...
PLEASE look near the beginning of the very first line and you will see the word "most".
I feel this makes it clear that it is certainly not "all" ......
My intention was to focus on the conservative evangelical churches.
I could and should have been more clear.
Regards
Rita
 
"Not all" leaves something to the ethereal Christians ... those divinely separated and really out there!

As I stated elsewhere .... in the infinite perspective ... should one not get too serious about the moral/limited concept of life that is differentiated from that integrated a-cross time?

Some people just can't grasp this as comprehensible ... like twigs from the stumped in the concept of the tree of LOGOS ... related sacredly to the underlying gods as sublime in that last verse of I Corinthians 13 when love without understanding is encouraged ... or complete obscurity of wisdom in common people!

In the hatred of the old tree ... oaks rot too ... although slowly with all the lignin involved and thus the old rugged thing stands for a long period ... like a grand mire still wished to be appreciated regardless of the lying dirt all about (environmental corruption, or fertility for something else)! Even a British Navel force of Iron corrodes ... creating ferrousity of irony ... stuff that penetrates into the invisible ... the mental order? These things in an emotional sea tend to drift ...
 
In my opinion ----- God is the only one who can stop the suicide ----depression ---confusion --- a feeling of no self worth ----and rejection is a big part of the LGBTQ community as is pointed out in what these teens are saying in my view ----God's Love is always present for all people ----we have to know about it --- want it and accept it -----The only way to know about God --His Grace and His Love is through hearing or reading His word ----God is always available to us ----it is us who keep ourselves unavailable to God ---- God has no denomination and never referred to Himself as Christian -----God is there for everyone to embrace and accept --we can say all kinds of things about how Christians treat the LGBTQ community but Christianity is not God ---it is just another Religion man made and man run ----God should be our source not a Religion -----The Bible is full of Hope ---Love and direction for the oppressed ----All up to us to want to seek the help offered ---There is nothing that can't be overcome with God at the helm -----This is what the LGBTQ teen community needs to here -----


Psalm 9:9-10New King James Version (NKJV)

9 The Lord also will be a refuge for the oppressed,
A refuge in times of trouble.
10 And those who know Your name will put their trust in You;
For You, Lord, have not forsaken those who seek You.


Psalm 40:1-3New King James Version (NKJV)
Faith Persevering in Trial
To the Chief Musician. A Psalm of David.

40 I waited patiently for the Lord;
And He inclined to me,
And heard my cry.
2 He also brought me up out of a horrible pit,
Out of the miry clay,
And set my feet upon a rock,
And established my steps.
3 He has put a new song in my mouth—
Praise to our God;
Many will see it and fear,
And will trust in the Lord.
 
Very nice, unsafe. Don't you EVER wonder why kids would return to the religion that caused them such harm and grief?
 
Once severely abused will the abused react appropriately and begin to use religious reaction un responsively? Thus the population of irresponsible people grows due to lack of adequate responses of great affection ... sort of like compassion!
 
BetteTheRed ---- your quote -----Don't you EVER wonder why kids would return to the religion that caused them such harm and grief?

Religion is just a belief in my way of thinking ----it isn't the cause of youth suicide in my opinion -----it is the ignorance about God and His power within the Religions from the people who claim to be in that Religion ----it is us humans who are the culprit ----we are unaccepting with how we perceive our beliefs ---this is just the way I see it -----There is only One God ----How can He help the teens to stop killing themselves -

Unfortunately unless you accept Christ on your own and have the Holy Spirit to guide you -- to learn about God you must be involved in some kind of Religious group -----bible study ----Church ----etc ----Religion in my opinion is all just hoop la ----it should be done away with and we should all be under one umbrella ----Followers of The Way -----Bible learning and scripture Following --- getting to know God and who we are in Christ and how to accomplish what God wants not what Religious Business People want -----God is the only one who can stop self murder in all humans in my view ----Religious Humans are just that Humans most who do not know God or His Word themselves --or are hypocrites -- this is just my personal opinion ------this is why I do not follow any Religion ---I follow The Bible which tells me how to live a happy fulfilled life and I do what it says and I have had great success and I allow the Holy Spirit to direct me daily to achieve my goals -----I personally think all LGBTQ people need God in their lives giving them strength and courage to do what God wants for them not what they want for themselves ---we are to lay self down not make self more important than God ------only then can we experience true happiness and self worth and the confidence to face adversary in our lives ---Suicide would not dominate ----

Trust God ( The Holy Spirit ) not Humans who say with their lips they known God but their hearts are unaccepting --- that is my Motto
 
It really doesn't matter how you twist and turn unsafe ..... it is churches that are doing such damage to the young vulnerable ones. That is what we are discussing specifically. Like you I find so much more beyond what the conservative churches espouse and that is why my faith is deeper than ever.
Once again .... we are talking about the churches and their attitudes, approaches, and messages and how that affects the young ones.
 
RitaTG said:
It really doesn't matter how you twist and turn unsafe ..... it is churches that are doing such damage to the young vulnerable ones. That is what we are discussing specifically. Like you I find so much more beyond what the conservative churches espouse and that is why my faith is deeper than ever.
Once again .... we are talking about the churches and their attitudes, approaches, and messages and how that affects the young ones.
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-Hi RitaTG- I don't understand you post here .Do you believe those who would walk with Christ Jesus should not read The Bible? Or just throw out the things you and , the L.G.B.T. -Q Don't like and disagree with?
 
airclean33 said:
-Hi RitaTG- I don't understand you post here .Do you believe those who would walk with Christ Jesus should not read The Bible? Or just throw out the things you and , the L.G.B.T. -Q Don't like and disagree with?
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Well airclean ... since you asked ..... I believe the LGBTQ persons should throw out the uninformed and deeply flawed interpretations that you apply to scripture for a start.
As for reading the bible .... that is all well and good .... but be sure to also acknowledge all of it using Ephesians 2:14 as a lens.
Perhaps this scripture along with a few other similar ones will help them understand the true intent of a dead law you are so fond of enforcing. Seems to me there was something said about requiring that if one part of the law was to be upheld to justify a person then all of it must be upheld. Also .... another part says something about those that require such "circumcision" that they should go away and emasculate themselves.
Lots of stuff like that ..... so please do read....
Now before you go off and perhaps say something about you not requiring the nit picking following of the law for another person's justification then I would suggest that a church that will not let us determine that for ourselves and then restricts our participation in the church is doing just that and is judging.
So .... to summarize ..... shoving a book brutally up someone's nose is not love.
Those are some of my thoughts :)
 
Some would say shoving the book of everything up someone's donkey ...

Then on second thought if god is everything eternally speaking ... what do mortal rules do to address that large void of what we don't know that's out there?

Would this require a gradually expanding book of law (in an explosive nature) considering what minor experts know about everything?

This would be rejected by earthy authorities in a bang ... heard as the threshold door between the finite and infinite closes shut and thus god's wisdom is on the other side from us ... that's my story and I'll stick to it until I learn different from books yet to come ... obviously out of here according to the last verses of the Gospel according to common men (John in ancient tongues that could be Ephraim considering the propensity to reciprocation of all things ... thus upsetting to god)!

Self-made men as authorities on everything would ague the point until diminished to nothing ... and thus the encounter with Gods wisdom ... through that small hole place ... not asinine silly ... the other side ... sort of cheeky according to the biblical record ...
 
RitaTG said:
Well airclean ... since you asked ..... I believe the LGBTQ persons should throw out the uninformed and deeply flawed interpretations that you apply to scripture for a start.
As for reading the bible .... that is all well and good .... but be sure to also acknowledge all of it using Ephesians 2:14 as a lens.
Perhaps this scripture along with a few other similar ones will help them understand the true intent of a dead law you are so fond of enforcing. Seems to me there was something said about requiring that if one part of the law was to be upheld to justify a person then all of it must be upheld. Also .... another part says something about those that require such "circumcision" that they should go away and emasculate themselves.
Lots of stuff like that ..... so please do read....
Now before you go off and perhaps say something about you not requiring the nit picking following of the law for another person's justification then I would suggest that a church that will not let us determine that for ourselves and then restricts our participation in the church is doing just that and is judging.
So .... to summarize ..... shoving a book brutally up someone's nose is not love.
Those are some of my thoughts :)
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Hi RitaTG-- I much prefer it when you say the truth, in what your trying to do , well done. You then seem to be saying you want the church to throw out The Word of God and except, something the god of G.L.B.T.-Q will write.I don't believe you will get those who walk with GOD to fall for this.I will say this though the Christian movement is much softer on the gays that other beliefs. Some would kill you. We say except GODS will or not .What you believe or not believe is up to you . I cannot make you do it . I have said this before that the choice is yours. If you don't believe in GODS Word The Bible. You can join many other faiths that don't, or not. Or even start your own. How would you come to Christ if you don't believe His Word even?
 
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