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They are just politicians ... such material should not have infringed with their belief system as it cranks into BS!

We are for separation and extensive divers behavior to get it together ... potentially beyond 'ere and 'ow ... the present hurts!
 
And there's the bombshell of the day/week/month. Finance Minister Chrystia Freeland resigned just hours before the fall economic statement. We knew she and Trudeau were not seeing eye-to-eye, esp. since his HST cut and $250 "rebate" were going to make it difficult or impossible to hit her deficit target. Did not realize that it was this bad. Another black eye for Justin, I suspect, esp. given she's a serious contender to replace him. I am starting to have vibes of the Chretien-Martin rivalry.

 
I'm just hearing about Freeland on the radio now. It's a huge surprise on one hand. She was one woman Trudeau didn't throw under the bus. She has responded to rumours that she and the PM were having disagreements very professionally. It's not a surprise because of the rumours.

It's interesting that the PM has done to her what he's done to other women, or people who apparently disagree with him, by telling her he wanted to move her. Good on her for taking charge of her own future.
 
It only increases the likelihood of her succeeding Trudeau when, as I suspect will happen, he has to resign after losing the next election badly. If he doesn't, then he will be the one being thrown under the bus, I am fairly sure. Losing to Poilievre as badly as polls suggest he might will definitely not help him win the inevitable post-election leadership review.
 
And there's the bombshell of the day/week/month. Finance Minister Chrystia Freeland resigned just hours before the fall economic statement. We knew she and Trudeau were not seeing eye-to-eye, esp. since his HST cut and $250 "rebate" were going to make it difficult or impossible to hit her deficit target. Did not realize that it was this bad. Another black eye for Justin, I suspect, esp. given she's a serious contender to replace him. I am starting to have vibes of the Chretien-Martin rivalry.

I really think that we need a system more like the British House where the Caucus has more power to cause change in leadership (although that power did not seem to help much in the last few year of the former government). Mainly because Justin is neither as politically astute or wise as his father was -- at least Pierre knew how to finesse the game.
 
Mainly because Justin is neither as politically astute or wise as his father was -- at least Pierre knew how to finesse the game.
That's kind of the issue over and over again, isn't it? He just doesn't seem to know how to play the game, so keeps coming off looking bad, which then hurts the party, too.

I really think that we need a system more like the British House where the Caucus has more power to cause change in leadership
Gives caucus more power but carries some risk with it for the parties, too. A PM who is popular with the people but rubs too many in caucus and/or the backroom the wrong way could get ousted.
 
Gives caucus more power but carries some risk with it for the parties, too. A PM who is popular with the people but rubs too many in caucus and/or the backroom the wrong way could get ousted.
Every coin has 2 sides though. My bigger hope is to give power and authority to the House as a whole and out of Party apparatuses (apparati?). Of course I may be a bit of a dreamer.
 
Freeland's resignation letter reads like a non-confidence vote.

"Canadians "know when we are working for them, and they equally know when we are focused on ourselves.
Inevitably, our time in government will come to an end."

Trudeau Housing Minister Sean Fraser also resigned.

Two cabinet ministers resigning on the Monday morning before the Fall Economic Update.:unsure:

When asked why he's resigning, Fraser cites a total lack of public support - even amongst his own family.

The liberal party appears to be melting.
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Who is going to deliver the Fall Economic Statement?
 
rudeau Housing Minister Sean Fraser also resigned.

Two cabinet ministers resigning on the Monday morning before the Fall Economic Update.:unsure:
Fraser was rumoured yesterday whereas Freeland came out of the blue, hence the difference in reactions. Apparently the goal with Fraser is to free up space to bring Mark Carney into Cabinet. Except Carney is unelected as of yet so that's a problematic move if true. Ministers need to be accountable to the House and should be sitting members in order for that to function. So Carney should be waiting until he has a seat.
 
New Ipsos poll shows the Liberals falling further. They are now tied with the NDP, which suggests we could be headed to not only a Conservative majority, but the NDP or Bloc as Official Opposition with the Liberals as a third party. And, as the headline suggests, people feel Poilievre could handle Trump better. Not convinced of Poilievre being a good choice in that regard, but I guess he can't be worse than Trudeau has been so far.

 
Okay what I don't understand is if the majority of liberals want Trudeau to go.....who are they looking at that could replace him? Otherwise, isn't that as good as giving all the votes to PP?
Is it the Liberal party they've had enough of or just the leader? ......because it seems like they're trashing their own party in order to remove Trudeau and making everything look bad to the voters.
 
The Fall Economic Statement will present itself?
My bet is that it gets put off until there's a cabinet shuffle, which was apparently planned anyhow, but we shall see.

Okay what I don't understand is if the majority of liberals want Trudeau to go.....who are they looking at that could replace him? Otherwise, isn't that as good as giving all the votes to PP?
Is it the Liberal party they've had enough of or just the leader? ......because it seems like they're trashing their own party in order to remove Trudeau and making everything look bad to the voters.
Actually, Freeland has been the favourite to succeed him for a while. Her resignation could even be partly her putting some distance from him and his policies.
 
New Ipsos poll shows the Liberals falling further. They are now tied with the NDP, which suggests we could be headed to not only a Conservative majority, but the NDP or Bloc as Official Opposition with the Liberals as a third party. And, as the headline suggests, people feel Poilievre could handle Trump better. Not convinced of Poilievre being a good choice in that regard, but I guess he can't be worse than Trudeau has been so far.

What's he done to prove that he's a good negotiator? He's good with wise cracks during parliament but.....what else?
 
What's he done to prove that he's a good negotiator? He's good with wise cracks during parliament but.....what else?
Well, exactly why I am not convinced. Though he did manage to get the socons behind him even though he is more of a centrist himself (e.g. pro-LGB, less so T, pro-choice) so must have done some horsetrading en route to the leadership. I think this is really an anti-Trudeau vote more than a pro-Poilievre one.
 
Well, exactly why I am not convinced. Though he did manage to get the socons behind him even though he is more of a centrist himself (e.g. pro-LGB, less so T, pro-choice) so must have done some horsetrading en route to the leadership. I think this is really an anti-Trudeau vote more than a pro-Poilievre one.
More like probably following Trumps formula.....trash the opposition mercilessly and create impressive havoc for admiration and votes.....lol.
 
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