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Mendalla said:
That would work but it basically leaves little time for the new leader to differentiate themselves from Trudeau, esp. if it is someone like Freeland or Leblanc who have been part of his team. An outsider like Carney would have an easier time in that scenario.
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That's true. Though realistically, do the Liberals have any chance of forming the next government no matter who they pick?
 
Northwind said:
That's true. Though realistically, do the Liberals have any chance of forming the next government no matter who they pick?
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Only if the Conservatives really, badly drop the ball. Which is not impossible. Would not be first time a Canadian party has snatched defeat from the jaws of victory. But given current polls, and barring some kind of seismic shift, the next election will be the Conservatives' to lose rather than the Liberals' to win.
 
Justin Trudeau’s first public comments after making Canadians $62 billion poorer.


"The prime minister is living in a false reality. He's delusional if he thinks we can continue like this." — New Brunswick Liberal MP Wayne Long.
 
If the borders are closed and America is to pay again ... will it be the rich who pay ... or will it continue to be the bottom contingent until the bottom falls out?

That lessor line is weakening and little do the big wheels see the consequence ...
 
WhyCzar said:
Justin Trudeau’s first public comments after making Canadians $62 billion poorer.


"The prime minister is living in a false reality. He's delusional if he thinks we can continue like this." — New Brunswick Liberal MP Wayne Long.
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Let's be accurate here. There was going to be a deficit even at Freeland's level of $40B. So by overshooting that, he has really only made us $22B poorer relative to the original target. Still a bad thing and still a good reason to dump him, esp. since it blew up a key cabinet portfolio. But we were already heading for a deficit (and have been running them most years since at least his father's time) and he just made it worse.

If we want to get rid of the deficit, we need to heavily reduce a raft of government expenditures. I can see some right off. We badly overpay for half-arsed delivery of contracted service because of political or bureaucratic favoritism (think the Phoenix payroll scandal). A truly competitive bidding process run by a neutral agency would likely get us more bang for our buck. A leaner civil service that actually rewarded competency would likely help in the long haul, too. Consolidating and better managing programs would be another. To be clear, I am not suggesting actual cuts to programs, just managing them more efficiently and minimizing duplication of effort.

But even with all that, to have the level of government support we are accustomed to in Canada, we will have to live with at least a short-term deficit or higher taxes.
 
Mendalla said:
Let's be accurate here. There was going to be a deficit even at Freeland's level of $40B. So by overshooting that, he has really only made us $22B poorer relative to the original target. Still a bad thing and still a good reason to dump him, esp. since it blew up a key cabinet portfolio. But we were already heading for a deficit (and have been running them most years since at least his father's time) and he just made it worse.

If we want to get rid of the deficit, we need to heavily reduce a raft of government expenditures. I can see some right off. We badly overpay for half-arsed delivery of contracted service because of political or bureaucratic favoritism (think the Phoenix payroll scandal). A truly competitive bidding process run by a neutral agency would likely get us more bang for our buck. A leaner civil service that actually rewarded competency would likely help in the long haul, too. Consolidating and better managing programs would be another. To be clear, I am not suggesting actual cuts to programs, just managing them more efficiently and minimizing duplication of effort.

But even with all that, to have the level of government support we are accustomed to in Canada, we will have to live with at least a short-term deficit or higher taxes.
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Remember that a lot of what's deficit is because the rich and powerful and blind belief in them ... do not wish to pay ... it all should be free for the chosen ones ... once?

Imagine when the debts are called in ... and it all goes down the drain ...
 
Mendalla said:
Let's be accurate here. There was going to be a deficit even at Freeland's level of $40B. So by overshooting that, he has really only made us $22B poorer relative to the original target. Still a bad thing and still a good reason to dump him, esp. since it blew up a key cabinet portfolio. But we were already heading for a deficit (and have been running them most years since at least his father's time) and he just made it worse.

If we want to get rid of the deficit, we need to heavily reduce a raft of government expenditures. I can see some right off. We badly overpay for half-arsed delivery of contracted service because of political or bureaucratic favoritism (think the Phoenix payroll scandal). A truly competitive bidding process run by a neutral agency would likely get us more bang for our buck. A leaner civil service that actually rewarded competency would likely help in the long haul, too. Consolidating and better managing programs would be another. To be clear, I am not suggesting actual cuts to programs, just managing them more efficiently and minimizing duplication of effort.

But even with all that, to have the level of government support we are accustomed to in Canada, we will have to live with at least a short-term deficit or higher taxes.
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There's also still 9 billion owed back to the CERB plan that people didn't qualify for
 
Waterfall said:
There's also still 9 billion owed back to the CERB plan that people didn't qualify for
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I will be interested to see how much of this ends up being written off, to be honest. I can see where it might be cheaper to write off than fight in court for some of these.
 
Mendalla said:
I will be interested to see how much of this ends up being written off, to be honest. I can see where it might be cheaper to write off than fight in court for some of these.
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Oh I don't know, they could garnishee wages and force the people to start the court argument....unless they use the argument that they weren't informed on the terms of who qualified well enough, then maybe.
But heck, they even had employed govt workers receiving it.
 
Waterfall said:
Oh I don't know, they could garnishee wages and force the people to start the court argument....unless they use the argument that they weren't informed on the terms of who qualified well enough, then maybe.
But heck, they even had employed govt workers receiving it.
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Some of those people have no income. It is possible that corporations are responsible for the misuse of even more money but they are not being audited. Many people qualified for and applied for EI support but were put on CERB instead. How many billions of EI support was improperly denied?
 
Waterfall said:
Oh I don't know, they could garnishee wages and force the people to start the court argument....unless they use the argument that they weren't informed on the terms of who qualified well enough, then maybe.
But heck, they even had employed govt workers receiving it.
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I am not really expecting this to go well for CRA in court given how chaotic everything was in 2020-21 but you never know. I imagine there will be lawyers will do it on a contingency (i.e. sue CRA for court costs) basis.
 
jimkenney12 said:
Singh and the NDP need to come up with a bold platform that can take the spotlight away from Pollievre.
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If they do, will people buy into it? The NDP often has the same problem we saw with the US Left this year. They talk down and lecture about how great they are compared to the other two. Platforms alone don't win elections. They have to present a bold image and be prepared to talk to people, not at them. Poilievre isn't as good at it as Trump but he's been doing a better job of it than either Trudeau or Singh.
 
"Liberals" and leftists can be like too many Christians and speak down to people. Most people want mercy, not justice. Too many know lots except how to listen.
 
Is listening and sharing like ... ↔ an initial 2 way thing as prelude to expansion?

Here is where the rich, and powerful build walls ... and the entire physical reality goes down the tubes ... the abstract? Well that's dark and mysterious and the powers do not wish the ordinary to learn anything there ... thus the shrouds ... veils of sanctimoniousness ... they wish for chaos and the state of berserk continuance!

Yet lack of mystical insight persists ... HEH can't see it! Possibly because of the dirt and smoke 'eis agitated ...

What's 'eis? That's eit in short ... the longer winded will never read in tous ide ... the whole thing!

As J Reeves sang ... maybe it is time for all of creation to go ... as if it was a poor choice of whomever dreamed it up! Imagine chaotic dreams mystical night mares ... trouble, bother, and worry from Dais One ... where to put such contentive items? Ground it get it out of the opposing form ... that's cleavage!
 
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So apparently the expected cabinet shuffle is finally going to happen. Right now Dominic Leblanc is juggling three ministries so presumably part of that shuffle will be to hand off some of those to someone else. Finance is a portfolio that really should be on its own, given it is responsible not only for being effectively the government's CFO, but also includes regulation of banking and finance. There's no Deputy PM right now but apparently that portfolio had been empty for a while when Freeland took it on so maybe they will revert back to that.

In the end, the big question is whether there is anything meaningful in a change like this or if Trudeau is just shuffling deck chairs on the Titanic?

 
Jilted MPs, who have stayed silent in anticipation of a cabinet position, will expose themselves after they don’t make the cut?
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