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Mendalla

Mendalla

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Last night's by-election results were good news for the Conservatives and bad for Liberals. No other parties even registered on the radar (NDP were at 11% and everyone else below that).

A riding that the Liberals held for decades and won by 24 points last election went to a Conservative. Even Liberal supporters among commentators are seeing significance in that result for the current government and not in a good way.

There's a little over a year to go until the next election. Will Trudeau pull this one out of the fire? What can he do to turn things around? Should the party be looking at replacing him before the election?

 
Definitely a wake-up call. Maybe time for a leadership change? After 10 years, the shine may be wearing out.
 
Well I'm not sure that Trudeau has created a secure legacy to point towards during another election campaign. Perhaps the way Covid was handled for some but for others not so much. He's implemented some things that another govt could change down the road because many have issues with it....eg carbon tax, child care, indigenous reconciliation, non partisan senate appointments (will probably remain), etc
Only Brian Mulroney and Pierre Trudeau have resigned when it was clear from polls they would lose an election. Jean Chretien was pushed out by his own party. Resignation has a little more dignity if Justin's polls continue to slide.
What could he do to turn it around? Hmmm, possibly introduce a minimum set income for those struggling at $25,000/yr. instead of social welfare. Increase disability payments to a realistic amount and increase pensions by $500/month for those struggling. Stop rent increases as we did during the Covid emergency until the housing crisis gets more under control. Slow down immigration. Stop the grocery store monopoly and the cable/internet monopolies....more competition.
Pick 2...lol
 
Waterfall said:
Well I'm not sure that Trudeau has created a secure legacy to point towards during another election campaign. Perhaps the way Covid was handled for some but for others not so much. He's implemented some things that another govt could change down the road because many have issues with it....eg carbon tax, child care, indigenous reconciliation, non partisan senate appointments (will probably remain), etc
Only Brian Mulroney and Pierre Trudeau have resigned when it was clear from polls they would lose an election. Jean Chretien was pushed out by his own party. Resignation has a little more dignity if Justin's polls continue to slide.
What could he do to turn it around? Hmmm, possibly introduce a minimum set income for those struggling at $25,000/yr. instead of social welfare. Increase disability payments to a realistic amount and increase pensions by $500/month for those struggling. Stop rent increases as we did during the Covid emergency until the housing crisis gets more under control. Slow down immigration. Stop the grocery store monopoly and the cable/internet monopolies....more competition.
Pick 2...lol
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Would anything to do with minimum's have a hope in hell given the corrupt powers control any media that would inform of corruption in the clouds?

Recall that chaos and dissonance is favored in the bottom lines for reasons the bottom lime cannot conjure! Recall any politicians that utilize emotions to drive out logic and logos ... good sense? Can't have that when wiles overrule ... it can function 2 ways ... with implications!
 
Waterfall said:
Stop rent increases as we did during the Covid emergency until the housing crisis gets more under control.
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Not in his power. That's provincial. Going there on his own would just hand Poilievre a loaded gun to fight the campaign on federal interference in provincial jurisdictions, which does play well in some provinces.

And the rest? I agree with most of it. Not sure what the feds can really do about those monopolies but I agree they are a problem. The problem is, again, there's a segment of society (and no, it's not just the wealthy) who will raise concerns about paying for it or disagree on various grounds. If those were surefire hits, the NDP should have been in government a long time ago.

So I would say do the disability payments (those will be an easy sell, I think) and pension increases (maybe increase the GIS or OAS so the increase only goes to those who have already qualified for means-tested payments). Beef up the powers of whatever our counterpart to the US FTC is to make life miserable for monopolies. You can't create competition unless you're going to break up the monopoly corporations but tighten up on allowing them to grow through acquisition and predatory practices. Then fight an election on the rest.
 
What does the great game of Monopoly have to do with leadership? If we don't know ... we will never know how this plays out due to blindness in the means to what else ... an end! Thus the mule appears as behind factor ...
 
Mendalla said:
Not in his power. That's provincial. Going there on his own would just hand Poilievre a loaded gun to fight the campaign on federal interference in provincial jurisdictions, which does play well in some provinces.

And the rest? I agree with most of it. Not sure what the feds can really do about those monopolies but I agree they are a problem. The problem is, again, there's a segment of society (and no, it's not just the wealthy) who will raise concerns about paying for it or disagree on various grounds. If those were surefire hits, the NDP should have been in government a long time ago.

So I would say do the disability payments (those will be an easy sell, I think) and pension increases (maybe increase the GIS or OAS so the increase only goes to those who have already qualified for means-tested payments). Beef up the powers of whatever our counterpart to the US FTC is to make life miserable for monopolies. You can't create competition unless you're going to break up the monopoly corporations but tighten up on allowing them to grow through acquisition and predatory practices. Then fight an election on the rest.
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Good points, agree.

Another thing I just heard on the CBC this morning, is that if Trudeau resigned or was replaced, it would take the wind out of PP's sails a bit, because his whole campaign has focused on Trudeau's inabilities to run the country properly and his failures as perceived by his supporters.
 
Waterfall said:
Good points, agree.

Another thing I just heard on the CBC this morning, is that if Trudeau resigned or was replaced, it would take the wind out of PP's sails a bit, because his whole campaign has focused on Trudeau's inabilities to run the country properly and his failures as perceived by his supporters.
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It would depend on who is the replacement, though. The conventional wisdom is that Freeland is where the Liberals would go but is she too associated with the policies of this government? After all, she's finance which means things like the capital gains tax policy are as much her as Trudeau.
 
No surprises in reactions to the by-election. Trudeau is vowing to stay but there is discontent in the ranks. Cabinet ministers are rallying around Trudeau publicly but that's almost required in our system (Cabinet solidarity and all that). Poilievre is calling on Trudeau to call a general election. All what you would expect given the outcome. I'm expecting a rather lively summer in Ottawa even without an actual election.

 
Mendalla said:
No surprises in reactions to the by-election. Trudeau is vowing to stay but there is discontent in the ranks. Cabinet ministers are rallying around Trudeau publicly but that's almost required in our system (Cabinet solidarity and all that). Poilievre is calling on Trudeau to call a general election. All what you would expect given the outcome. I'm expecting a rather lively summer in Ottawa even without an actual election.

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Of course PP wants him to stay....
 
So the current Elections legislation requires an election by October 2025 but the Liberals and NDP can amend this at any time up to the 5 year limit in the Constitution that they cannot change. That requires that an election be CALLED only by October 2026. Actual vote could occur in November or December 2026 if they wanted to drag it out.

The Rational thing for Trudeau and the Liberal Party is for him to leave and a new Leader come in.

But, it is possible that Trudeau will NOT leave, and a core of the Liberal Cabinet will protect him and allow him to stay on into 2026.
 
All you need to do is believe ... that you are a winner and thus the situation is set up for a medium of losers ... that'd be all us in between the two polar obstinate opposing as images in the dirt of combatants! Both obviously claiming peace ... thus the ripper arrives ... and all is ass under while thought is sat upon by conflicting chits ... forget the mules ... the working class! That appears accomplished already ... as the market teeters ... instability? Only happens when the middle falls out ... no gut 's, or goods! Doesn't really matter how you spell it ... thoughts go to the breeze ... thoughts, etc. are bad ... that's trum*peted ...
 
Can one 4 see a human condition without any fore thought what-so-ever? Now if history could be disposed of there'd be nothing but presence to be stuck in ... and no getting out what-so-ever! Then we ide focus on "what"! The abstract as nothing to make of ... politicians would kick in and do something disastrous ... teaming dissonance or teamsters ... best to let it be and depart the human condition as flawed ... what the crack is for ... R.I.P. in time ...

Never had time for it previously because of the driven nodes ... they believed they node it all ... what they lumped together is ridiculous ... a nihilist?
 
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Waterfall said:
Or he could step up his game and address some issues instead of just handing money to the provinces only to have them do nothing with it.
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Is not nothing the most efficient way of hoarding ... uselessly? Thus pigs in heaven, accrued ... let us gather!
 
Waterfall said:
Or he could step up his game and address some issues instead of just handing money to the provinces only to have them do nothing with it.
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The problem is that the provinces themselves want no-strings-attached money and any strings get tagged as "federal interference". It's a battle that his father and every PM since has fought and mostly lost. Poilievre likely won't even fight it. The modern Conservative Party, given it's Reform roots, is very much in favour of devolving power down to the provinces.

I worry that we may eventually become more the US where the states have incredible power and autonomy compared to our provinces. I mean, who thought having 50 different criminal codes + the federal one was a good idea??
 
Mendalla said:
The problem is that the provinces themselves want no-strings-attached money and any strings get tagged as "federal interference". It's a battle that his father and every PM since has fought and mostly lost. Poilievre likely won't even fight it. The modern Conservative Party, given it's Reform roots, is very much in favour of devolving power down to the provinces.

I worry that we may eventually become more the US where the states have incredible power and autonomy compared to our provinces. I mean, who thought having 50 different criminal codes + the federal one was a good idea??
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Pp did somewhat say he would be giving money in increments and more money would be given as they complete what they received it for...or something like that.
I guess the PM doesn't have executive powers or something like that?
 
Waterfall said:
I guess the PM doesn't have executive powers or something like that?
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No, they don't. That's a byproduct of our parliamentary system that I have come to quite like. No one in our system has absolute executive authority, even the monarch. Cabinet can kind of do it with orders in council but that's still technically a collective decision, not one person, and has limitations established by law and precedent. Anything financial, for instance, has to go through Parliament.
 
Waterfall said:
Or he could step up his game and address some issues instead of just handing money to the provinces only to have them do nothing with it.
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I don't think there's anything Trudeau could do to convince many (most?) Westerners to accept him. There is some very rabid anti-Trudeau sentiment in the western provinces. It started with his father and frankly, I don't think he had a chance with many people here.
 
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