Room For All

[JayneWonders]

Learned doing ice dices.

Puslinch lake and the Grand River car club
Tested for ice depth
Then, a track was made
We would take turns doing timed runs
Everyone would pile into the cars so would be able to push back on to track if went off

I had a Dodge Shelby charger (2.2 turbo)

Learned how to handle in all conditions
Windswept lake pure ice
Slushy snow
Fluffy snow
And the best, that gave traction

So much fun, followed by food at mother's pizza

Not so much fun, when your boyfriend went into a frozen snowbank with your car. Didn't handle conditions like his Volvo did

 

[Mendalla]

Donuts anyone?

Yum. I'll take two.

Oh, not that kind of donut.

 

[Mendalla]

I had a Dodge Shelby charger (2.2 turbo)

Oo, sweet ride. Not a fan of Chrysler on many fronts, but the Shelby Charger at least looked cool on paper.

 

[JayneWonders]

Also we did the rally series. I was part of the crew.

Coldest i went to was in maniswaki: rallye Perce neige

 

[chansen]

I agree, or learn the way I did, in a vacant parking lot, lol. Donuts anyone?

You can see what happens, and that's how I learned, but a lot of people benefit from a professional instructor. We pay a thousand bucks to teach our kids the rules of the road, but expect them to learn how to handle ice and snow in parking lots, if that.

I have a lot of respect for those instructors, like those who drive rally cars. That's car control.

 

[JayneWonders]

Oo, sweet ride. Not a fan of Chrysler on many fronts, but the Shelby Charger at least looked cool on paper.

It was fun.

Did Solo 1 and 2.
Solo 1 was at a motorcycle track in Eastern Ontario
Solo 2 was at a parking lot. I watched a car roll whipping around pylons

Hopped a lot if started off too fast on wet pavement.

Braking was recommended in a straight line

 

[Waterfall]

You can see what happens, and that's how I learned, but a lot of people benefit from a professional instructor. We pay a thousand bucks to teach our kids the rules of the road, but expect them to learn how to handle ice and snow in parking lots, if that.

I have a lot of respect for those instructors, like those who drive rally cars. That's car control.

I also took driver training at school as soon as I turned 16, so that helped, reduced my insurance too.

 

[Waterfall]

Learned doing ice dices.

Puslinch lake and the Grand River car club
Tested for ice depth
Then, a track was made
We would take turns doing timed runs
Everyone would pile into the cars so would be able to push back on to track if went off

I had a Dodge Shelby charger (2.2 turbo)

Learned how to handle in all conditions
Windswept lake pure ice
Slushy snow
Fluffy snow
And the best, that gave traction

So much fun, followed by food at mother's pizza

Not so much fun, when your boyfriend went into a frozen snowbank with your car. Didn't handle conditions like his Volvo did

Sweet ride....did you keep it?

 

[Luce NDs]

Kids try it on asphalt and tarmac ... a dirty dark mistake if you foul-up ... sudden loss of traction and you may need more that medical traction to pull you out of that dippy place ... there are stories of NDE's ... real butte's ... mist aches stay with you whether you want them orn ot ...

Sometimes the rise out of the deeper wells ...Gordan Lightfoot once sang of them ... pulped fiction? Take it as you will ... sole reading exercises ... bottom lyons? Leon said we'd want it darker ... few listen to the inkiness and silence that speaks ... sometimes at 4 in the morn 'n ... the only way to express the grief curve as the elite don't believe it ... the sense of beyond lone? AH lone again ... because folk do not like bad NU's and what it's Bourn ... something carried off?

 

[Waterfall]

On a different front, we just got our second notice of possible eviction due to a 2nd complaint on my partner's vehicle mufflers.(within a month) They are dual mufflers and not suped up noisy at all.( which he would prefer lol) We've lived here peacefully for 4 years (since selling the house) and always paid the rent on time....and we're quiet, clean and respectful, but somebody doesn't like the sound of his muffler when he leaves for work at 530 in the morning.
I even checked the decibal limit for noise in Ontario and it's 92dB idling and 96dB at any engine speed greater than idle. It's not a seniors building, it's all ages, so there are others leaving for work at that time. One more notice and we get an eviction notice.
He's not gunning it at all. We don't want to move....any advice?
I'm seriously thinking we need to buy another house.....

 

[Northwind]

Our 4Runner was a weird size. Had to get that at Toyota or shoehorn in a different size.

We went directly to Toyota because we knew this was a possibility. Our car had the recall/warning/check and things were fine. We learned that the issue related to non-Toyota batteries not fitting properly. Since we don't need more problems in life, we chose to go Toyota. Besides, a ten year battery suggests the quality is good.

 

[Northwind]

We have snow since I said we didn't and it's beautiful! BUT, other drivers scare me more than a snow storm sometimes. Honestly, where do these people come from that continue to drive like it's still summer?

Other drivers are the issue here. Firstly, the people who grew up on the island have never gotten enough snow to learn to drive in it properly, or to take it seriously. Secondly, there's enough people from places like AB who have the skills and vehicle to think they're bulletproof in the times of snow that happen here. I was driving along the road doing 50 or 60 in a 70 zone (it wasn't too bad) and came upon a white knuckler crawling along the road. A pickup came roaring up from behind. That's the thing that's scary here, other drivers. I'd like to think most people are okay at least. You just need one or two to make life um, interesting.

We have a Rav4 with good tires and we have the skills. We've driven in Lake Effect storms and in the frigid north.

Skid school, skid school, skid school. Should be mandatory for drivers in Canada.

There wouldn't be enough time for practice here....... and that's a problem.

 

[Waterfall]

Other drivers are the issue here. Firstly, the people who grew up on the island have never gotten enough snow to learn to drive in it properly, or to take it seriously. Secondly, there's enough people from places like AB who have the skills and vehicle to think they're bulletproof in the times of snow that happen here. I was driving along the road doing 50 or 60 in a 70 zone (it wasn't too bad) and came upon a white knuckler crawling along the road. A pickup came roaring up from behind. That's the thing that's scary here, other drivers. I'd like to think most people are okay at least. You just need one or two to make life um, interesting.

We have a Rav4 with good tires and we have the skills. We've driven in Lake Effect storms and in the frigid north.



There wouldn't be enough time for practice here....... and that's a problem.

I loved my Rav 4.....I should never have let it go.....now we both drive older SUVs, that are not even close....but they get us around and we always keep them maintained properly....but meh....miss my heated seats.

 

[Northwind]

We love the heated seats. When we first got this car, hubby thought of swapping the truck so he could have heated seats. Did he get heated seats when he upgraded the truck? Nope. This has been a great car.

 

[chansen]

There wouldn't be enough time for practice here....... and that's a problem.

Skid schools use a dedicated skid pad and modified vehicles for year-round instruction. I think my wife also had water sprayed at the car from a fire hose to simulate lack of visibility. Two days of that and you learn to control a car in any situation.

 

[Northwind]

Well that's cool chansen. That would also help on wet roads here. Every now and again the highway that bypasses the city gets jammed up with a crash. I suspect losing control on wet pavement or puddles is an issue. Of course, that probably means not driving to conditions.

 

[chansen]

Oh, absolutely, the first problem is people not adjusting their speed and driving to the conditions. But skid school also gives you an appreciation that loss of grip can happen, and the consequences.

AWD can foster overconfidence. Winter tires can do the same. They are tools, but they don't solve everything.

 

[Mendalla]

AWD can foster overconfidence. Winter tires can do the same. They are tools, but they don't solve everything.

Yeah. They mean our CRV can actually get into and out of the driveway on a day like the other day but I have no illusions about them giving us superpowers or anything. And, really, with good winter tires, even the Civic handles the driveway (c. 20-25 degree slope) pretty well. My main issue with it is that the later generations of the Civic (mine is a 2023) are pretty low to the ground so deep snow on the road can be a problem even with good tire traction.

 

[chansen]

I once tried to bulldoze a windrow with my Jeep YJ. Suspended the undercarriage perfectly in the middle. 4WD does nothing when all four tires are off the ground. Took hours of excavating under my own damn vehicle.

 

[Nancy]

@chansen Your pulley system reminds me of how we used to get hay into the hay mow before we had a hay elevator. Hay was laid out on ropes on the wagon, then tied up like a package that was lifted up up up, moved along a track and then tripped to dump at the appropriate spot. It was so fun to watch.