Covid 19 Vaccine

[Northwind]

I looked at different sources. I also have knowledge of infection control after working in health care. My main source was Dr Henry.

I didn't experience absolutes. That being said I would not have given any absolute much credibility.

We've always known that washing hands and keeping a distance from potentially sick people are smart things to do. I started there. I avoided crowds. In fact, I'm still in no hurry to face certain crowds.

We can listen to public health folks, take their information and use it in a way that makes most sense for us.

 

[LiveIntuit]

Errored on side of risk reduction.

Even given the hypothesis that everyone concerned thought they were doing the right thing -- the charge of criminal negligence should be considered given the huge numbers of people who have suffered adverse effects from these measures unnecessarily and out of all proportion to their risk from COVID-19.

 

[jimkenney12]

I do not ask for perfection. I just ask for humility.

 

[JayneWonders]

Give me a fricking break Rita.

Let's charge those when knowingly put others at risk whilst we thank those who worked hard to save others.

 

[JayneWonders]

I do not ask for perfection. I just ask for humility.

Are you showing any or graciousness to those who were forced with dealing with it

 

[JayneWonders]

Dr. Henry was one of the authorities that i made a point of listening to

 

[Northwind]

the charge of criminal negligence should be considered given the huge numbers of people who have suffered adverse effects from these measures unnecessarily and out of all proportion to their risk from COVID-19.

Good grief. Really? Who cares about all the people who died? Or could have died?

I do not ask for perfection. I just ask for humility.

Exactly. Not to mention that it's easy to forget that this was a novel or new virus. They didn't know how it behaved while it killed a lot of people. Humility is good.

 

[jimkenney12]

Are you showing any or graciousness to those who were forced with dealing with it

They were forced to make decisions and they were tough decisions. They decided at the beginning to act as though they had definitive information about how the virus spread. Their leadership shifted to being more nuanced as the disease spread, but they had already lost a lot of credibility. That loss of credibility hindered efforts to get broad buy in on future proclamations.

When evidence arose that some of the vaccines were hazardous to younger men, there was reluctance to acknowledge that information in the recommendations they were making regarding vaccinations.

 

[Delightful Life]

I still admire greatly the various health care peeps who were willing to go to prison to help their patients who were dying from this mysterious illness in the early days when no one knew wtf it was

I remember them building their own databases on the various equipment they were using and sharing info in this 24/7 scramble to help peeps

I remember being happy when a school students told their school to gtfo and no don't open our school

Where I was in the states at the time I noticed peeps did the social distancing (invented by a teenage girl for a class project) and mask wearing some 2 weeks b4 gov't said to do it :3

Lots of stuff still to be upset aboot -- stuff I had only read aboot in books or movies or twilight zone episodes

(i recall somewhere a pundit saying they saw similarities between how the world reacted to the Spanish Flu and this one)

Lots of stuff to be proud aboot -- I could tell who people could depend on when it really mattered

Lots of stuff to marvel aboot -- gene therapy used to save people. medicine created by "ai".

I think we have mentioned some of this stuff B4 on one of Northwind's threads on ok the pandemic is over how do you feel it all went? i recall i wrote a very long post with positives and negatives...

 

[jimkenney12]

I liked Dr. Henry and the Alberta Doctor whose name eludes me right now. I am supportive of the leadership they provided. Due to deficiencies in the medical knowledge of administrators in Health Canada, Dr. Tam did not provide great leadership.

 

[Northwind]

I'm thankful to have been in this province and to have had Dr Henry as the person sharing the Information. Dr Hinshaw in Alberta was good until she appeared to be answering more to Kenney near to the end of the pandemic. Some of what she said at that point did not seem to fit with her professional knowledge and ethics.

I didn't listen to Dr Tam much. Perhaps that's why I don't recall feeling that the info being shared was definitive.

 

[JayneWonders]

Jim, i ask again.

Have you ever been involved in anything impacting the security or safe keeping of a large group?

Say a thousand?

No, how about a million?

How about in chaos.

Sorry, you should be thanking them for not crumbling under the pressure

 

[jimkenney12]

I am thankful for the leadership they provided. Doctors Hinshaw and Henry were responsible for the well being of millions of people before Covid. It was part of their job description. Most of the chaos was not their problem. It was a job for governments at all levels. Their job was to provide the best information they had and make recommendations for governments and individuals.

The big failure was by the federal government and bureaucrats in Health Canada who decided they could quit preparing for the next epidemic.

 

[Northwind]

The big failure was by the federal government and bureaucrats in Health Canada who decided they could quit preparing for the next epidemic.

I worked with a nurse for a couple years until 2010. She was an advocate for pandemic planning. She made sure the community where we were working would be prepared for a pandemic. Apparently the research/information at that time said we would be having a pandemic in the future.

I've lost touch with her and wonder what her views are today.

 

[jimkenney12]

The federal government ended their pandemic planning somewhere around 2018. The issue with masks that were expired revealed Health Canada had defective inventory control, though maybe the problem was with procurement.

 

[JayneWonders]

I am thankful for the leadership they provided. Doctors Hinshaw and Henry were responsible for the well being of millions of people before Covid. It was part of their job description. Most of the chaos was not their problem. It was a job for governments at all levels. Their job was to provide the best information they had and make recommendations for governments and individuals.

The big failure was by the federal government and bureaucrats in Health Canada who decided they could quit preparing for the next epidemic.

Being responsible for something in standard times is far different from being responsible in a full blown crisis.

People were dying.

Information was being acquired from multiple directions and being fed in multiple directions

I ask you again.

Have you had to handle or even been directly involved in a crisis involving more than a 1000 people, let alone millions

Ps. Excuse me if their focus was not on whether you had to wash your vegetables or not. Such a hardship, i am sure

 

[jimkenney12]

I do not understand your last comment. I have no complaints about how their leadership affected me. My complaint was pretending to know more than they did at the start of the pandemic and their reluctance to allow emerging data affect their recommendations. These actions created space for crap misinformation creators to get an audience.

 

[Mrs.Anteater]

I wouldn’t be surprised if there hadn’t been a political intention at some point behind the public announcements. Some of it might have been just to reduce the amount of panic. The spread by aerosols would have meant every patient with Covid would have to be in a pressure room- a room with it’s own ventilation system, my hospital has three of them.That was clearly not doable. Add to it a shortage of N95 masks. Germany gave out N95s to it’s population ( pick up one a week in the pharmacy). It was a learning process. I see that at work. Every single person has either their own intrinsic values driving them to do their best- or they don’t. If you add a lot of stress to it, it turns more into survival mode and values might go by the wayside.

 

[LiveIntuit]

“Just like every other chief medical officer of health across the country. I had a mandate and the legal authority to speak to the public about the issues related to health. I was fully aware, however, that if I were wildly off side with what the provincial health minister and government believed, it could make my position challenging, and that if I was too far off the mark too often, the government could render me ineffective or fire me all together.” - Bonnie Henry

 

[Delightful Life]

Quite human

Btw, did you hear they have Mr. Science's replacement already?