No matter how many times it happens, it's not normal, IMO.
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Mrs.Anteater
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I am sure it’s not a matter of lifestyle. I would be part of triage. Triage is in place when the resources are in short supply compared to the need. If rescuers arrive at an accident scene, you would’t want them to fix the broken wrist first because that’s the person they see first.
In mass casualty events, triage would mean that the people with greatest chance of survival get the attention, so the ones with wounds whose bleeding could be stopped but not the ones who‘s injuries are so bad that they are already on the way out. It is a very tough situation for medical personal. Some countries were in this situation during the first time of covid because they had limited supplies of O2 or limited intensive care beds. I would not want to be in that position. If you go by the rule first come first serve, do you give the 90 year old with COPD the O2 who will need to be on it for the next six weeks but not the toddler, because he came later, but has a chance to be off it after a day or two, making it available to another person.
Do you give the lung to the smoker who clearly says he will not stop smoking or to the twenty year old with pulmonary fibroses? ( and yes, those cases do exist)
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Mrs.Anteater
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This has a bit of the dilemma of “The trolley problem”, except for that the surgeon/ medical personal cannot not make a decision.
Trolley problem - Wikipedia
It's my understanding there is a criteria involved concerning agreeing to changes involved in order to be on the transplant list.
I doubt most 90 year olds would want to be on the transplant list...could be wrong...
I'm familiar with this dilemma..tough one.This has a bit of the dilemma of “The trolley problem”, except for that the surgeon/ medical personal cannot not make a decision.
Trolley problem - Wikipedia
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And what if one of the 5 saved became a mass murderer....so many scenarios. The question removes the possibility that the 5 could jump off the tracks and treats the possible victims as numbers...no easy answers for sure.
Ideally it would be better to work on getting people to sign donor cards.
There are always those ethereal, rare bits that wish to live forever regardless of the pain induced all about ... like a runaway streetcar to use a metaphor!
Then if one looks deep into the human condition how deep is the arrogance factor on knowledge ... when knowledge is piously eliminated ... its in the books and toems, hidden as Gnostic ... slippery as the Teflon Don ... dangerously ...
Mrs.Anteater
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If you read my post, the 90 year old example was about who is getting oxygen, not a transplant. It was just one real life example people had to make decisions on during covid.
NS actually has a law? bylaw? that everybody is a donor unless you declare not to be one.
Mrs.Anteater
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We are so blessed to have the possibilities and services we have today. Not that there isn’t room for improvement, but we are taking for granted what in most of the world is only available for a few rich people.
If you look at nature, it’s usually the parents who do everything that the young/ next generation survives.
Some of us humans still have that attitude. One would think that the 90 year old would agree to give the oxygen to the toddler. But would the 60 year old who has multiple health conditions? Would he give it to his grand child, but not to a child from someone else? Our understanding of being part of a community vs self interest is on an all time low. Covid has demonstrated that.
If you look at nature, it’s usually the parents who do everything that the young/ next generation survives.
Some of us humans still have that attitude. One would think that the 90 year old would agree to give the oxygen to the toddler. But would the 60 year old who has multiple health conditions? Would he give it to his grand child, but not to a child from someone else? Our understanding of being part of a community vs self interest is on an all time low. Covid has demonstrated that.
Having worked with the elderly ( as many here have), Ive found many were at peace with not having extraordinary measures taken...
ChemGal
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Order of what?
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In her case, it's separate from triage though, as she wasn't on the list. Vaccination status isn't the only thing that can exclude someone.
If we had something like Evusheld that was effective for all variants I wonder if the decision by AHS would be different - but then there's the question of would she be accepting of that?
Triage often indicates odd preferences on survival ... I went to the ER with a bad infection in the pituitary axis ... as informed by the older cardiologist ... something to beware of regarding smooth tissue stenosis! The triage nurse swept the notification to the floor and I sat for hours trying to pull myself together ... eventually did ... difficulty ensued and shortly after declared I needed heart surgery. I wonder if the notification would have been ignored if I was rich and empowered! Such is legitimate protocol as followed blindly ... can't see it?
In recent days I learned an old diagnosis of neurological diseases that involved loss of facial recognition, said to be non existent because of what we are not conscious of ... by choice? Thus on the face of it ... consequences? Na'! that couldn't be ... but what does NA have to do with it? Then there is the ignored mRNA that carries a virtual unknown code. (note: some arrogant souls believe they understand a complexity that is beyond them).
In short; with what we know due to confined knowledge ... we are required to due as well as we can ... leaving a lot to be desired about knowing more(s)!
Leads one to believe that life is stupid ... and the remainder is out there. Then the powers will lie about this if they are stuck on what they know ... leaving something in a state of ad continuum! So what goes on is because of the heroes and Nero's we've lifted into those positions because we support brutes ... besties? Is that martyrdom or suicidal activity to parts of the human body ... an out-of-here conception? Still beyond common comprehension ...
Thought for most is an uncomfortable sense ... as one learns that the dangers in life are oftenman hoo m'n made ... image hoos that ... a query? Hard people hate queer I'z ... aye 've the mind? O' Ka'y ... Ka therein, ʘ, an old sign for conscience ...
On the face of it many do not recognize it ... then there are those helical red ribbons ... mysterious code!
Few are interested in the virtue of it and thus corrupt it without considering the chances ... even when the information is right under their eyes ... dilemma? Said to resemble an enigma ... quite dark without some enlightenment ... and then we're gone ... life dislikes strange and alien material ... so we don't ordinarily learn much! Until then ...
In recent days I learned an old diagnosis of neurological diseases that involved loss of facial recognition, said to be non existent because of what we are not conscious of ... by choice? Thus on the face of it ... consequences? Na'! that couldn't be ... but what does NA have to do with it? Then there is the ignored mRNA that carries a virtual unknown code. (note: some arrogant souls believe they understand a complexity that is beyond them).
In short; with what we know due to confined knowledge ... we are required to due as well as we can ... leaving a lot to be desired about knowing more(s)!
Leads one to believe that life is stupid ... and the remainder is out there. Then the powers will lie about this if they are stuck on what they know ... leaving something in a state of ad continuum! So what goes on is because of the heroes and Nero's we've lifted into those positions because we support brutes ... besties? Is that martyrdom or suicidal activity to parts of the human body ... an out-of-here conception? Still beyond common comprehension ...
Thought for most is an uncomfortable sense ... as one learns that the dangers in life are often
On the face of it many do not recognize it ... then there are those helical red ribbons ... mysterious code!
Few are interested in the virtue of it and thus corrupt it without considering the chances ... even when the information is right under their eyes ... dilemma? Said to resemble an enigma ... quite dark without some enlightenment ... and then we're gone ... life dislikes strange and alien material ... so we don't ordinarily learn much! Until then ...
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Mendalla
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Updated Moderna built around Omicron XBB.1.5 has been approved in Canada. US also approved Pfizer/Biontech, which is still under review here.
Health Canada is advising anyone more than six months past their last shot or infection to get it. The national vaccine panel is focussing more on those considered at risk, so over 65, longterm care, pregnant, or underlying health conditions.
I have been waiting for this update before getting another shot. With flu shots looming as well, I'll probably get it done later this fall (I am technically in an at-risk group due to diabetes). I just dodged the COVID bullet as two team members at work had it, and one started getting ill while at work. Can't say if vaccination (I've had the original series and two boosters) was the reason but it can't have hurt. I do have a private office so generally don't mix with the rest of the team as much as they do, so that's probably a factor as well.
Health Canada is advising anyone more than six months past their last shot or infection to get it. The national vaccine panel is focussing more on those considered at risk, so over 65, longterm care, pregnant, or underlying health conditions.
I have been waiting for this update before getting another shot. With flu shots looming as well, I'll probably get it done later this fall (I am technically in an at-risk group due to diabetes). I just dodged the COVID bullet as two team members at work had it, and one started getting ill while at work. Can't say if vaccination (I've had the original series and two boosters) was the reason but it can't have hurt. I do have a private office so generally don't mix with the rest of the team as much as they do, so that's probably a factor as well.
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ChemGal
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Yup, assuming Pfizer will be approved fairly soon too. Now to wait for the criteria to find out the when. Over here I don't expect them to be putting a lot of resources to that, but luckily between NACI and multiple COVID vaccines in the past a lot of the work is done.
Science does give images into things too small for great men to observe because of corruption within heaped compositions ... piled on word? From there it gets sophisticated as senatorial dashes ... for cover?
With blind provision the populace may not observe the compost ... m'n ours away? MU's is ... even tho' eli*mina*ted ... depends on the ordering of icons ... Zions? Collected light energy ... pho Cuss and it burns ... thus room for th' ought! near nothing in the searched for pure vacuum ... place of no resistance?
Don't get drawn in ... could be dense down there ... conned sequences of order?
Mendalla
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Health Canada announced approval today.
Still haven't heard anything final for Ontario but keeping an eye out.
Has this material gone viral, counter to those opposing it being out there?
Disease is a more logical thread to face???? Without this ease ... stress! It is how word can be manipulated so to generate simple solutions ... requiring something to babble about as we go down in humiliation over civil disorder! One side claiming right to violent reaction while the other is declared Kohl!
Thus a slip to the ends ... often as a ringer as it occurs again and again and we learn nothing beyond that ... go rounds? Avoi dance but never purely clear!
Disease is a more logical thread to face???? Without this ease ... stress! It is how word can be manipulated so to generate simple solutions ... requiring something to babble about as we go down in humiliation over civil disorder! One side claiming right to violent reaction while the other is declared Kohl!
Thus a slip to the ends ... often as a ringer as it occurs again and again and we learn nothing beyond that ... go rounds? Avoi dance but never purely clear!
ChemGal
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Alberta updated information on Friday. I'm a little surprised, they are making eligibility quite loose. 3 months since last vaccine, recommended 3 months since last COVID infection (although just a recommendation), opens for everyone over 6 months old at the same time.
They have also posted the vaccines quite clearly, ie. Moderna XBB 1.5 will be available on Oct 16, Pfizer XBB 1.5 has been approved but not yet available, will be for those 5+ when it is and Novavax XBB 1.l5 is not yet approved by Health Canada, but it is expected to be approved in the next few months.
Anyone who had 1 (or 2 if immunocompromised) of any COVID vaccine previously is only eligible for 1 XBB 1.5 dose (will see if that changes in the spring again, like it did this past year for the bivalents).
For those who are under this, the minimum timing interval might be shorter than 3 months depending on circumstances and some people are eligible for 3 XBB 1.5 doses (ie. doing a full primary series for immunocompromised individuals).
So definitely a bit of nuance but for most people they can get 1 XBB 1.5 dose soon, as long as they didn't have a COVID vaccine in the last 3 months.
They have also posted the vaccines quite clearly, ie. Moderna XBB 1.5 will be available on Oct 16, Pfizer XBB 1.5 has been approved but not yet available, will be for those 5+ when it is and Novavax XBB 1.l5 is not yet approved by Health Canada, but it is expected to be approved in the next few months.
Anyone who had 1 (or 2 if immunocompromised) of any COVID vaccine previously is only eligible for 1 XBB 1.5 dose (will see if that changes in the spring again, like it did this past year for the bivalents).
For those who are under this, the minimum timing interval might be shorter than 3 months depending on circumstances and some people are eligible for 3 XBB 1.5 doses (ie. doing a full primary series for immunocompromised individuals).
So definitely a bit of nuance but for most people they can get 1 XBB 1.5 dose soon, as long as they didn't have a COVID vaccine in the last 3 months.