Ontario's Radical Sex Ed Curriculum

[dreamerman]

I think, by now, it is clear that the new sex-ed/health curriculum is not the indoctrinational tool that the CLC insisted it was. It should also be just as clear, that since this is essentially the same curriculum Charles McVety opposed in 2010 (Where was he this time around?) all of the criticisms then were as factual as this round of lies.

That being said I have to wonder why the dishonesty and how is that better for our children to see demonstrated by parents and approved leadership figures than this new curriculum?

I realize that such a comparison will be hard for folk who have swallowed the CLC lies unquestioningly rather than read the new curriculum itself.

Or maybe, opposition is not based on truth at all so much as it is fear.

Well here is an MP who unfortunately happens to be my MP for the riding I live in who also didn't read the new curriculum. This isn't the first time she put her foot in her mouth. I guess she likes any press she can get whether its bad or good. You can view her comments here. http://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=cheryl gallant&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CB4QqQIwAA&url=http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/mp-cheryl-gallant-s-sex-ed-curriculum-comments-condemned-by-ontario-liberals-1.2978553&ei=1Sr2VJS6O8GpNpnigagB&usg=AFQjCNET26JvxcKygc9oIXTGCaI77hUB_A&bvm=bv.87519884,d.eXY

 

[BetteTheRed]

If we're having a "who has the most awful MP", I'd like to note that, all of my voting notwithstanding, Patrick Brown is mine...

 

[Mendalla]

Are talking MPs or MPPs here? My MP is Susan Truppe (Con) who is about as exciting as another cm of snow. Basically a mouthpiece for Stevie and nothing more. My MPP is Health Minister Deb Matthews (Lib) who I am not always thrilled with but at least she does more than spew repackaged party press releases.

 

[Spirit Wind 7]

I saw a program where 3 year olds knew they were not what their bodies said they were. They gravitated toward their true sexuality, e.g. in what they wore, and playmates became more one or the other gender; and their parents realized they were right, and that helped both children and parents to be accepting. They saw the differences in how happy the child was when not pretending.

So, it is not too early to talk about sexuality, that we are born with that aspect, like hair colour, eye colour, some things we don't choose, but accept.

Now to get a society to actually do that means we need to standing up and counted to create acceptance of how God creates.
It is a wonder, for us to be here at all. Henri Nouwen has a good word....

"Self-rejection is the greatest enemy of the spiritual life because it contradicts the sacred voice that calls us the "Beloved". Being the Beloved expresses the core truth of our existence."
~ Henri Nouwen

Anyone going to a World Day of Prayer service today???? It's not just for women, you know. It's for all of us.

Have a great God day... alive and flying...
Spirit Wind.....

 

[Jaebius]

Update - So I spoke with my son's school , and they told me that they are still considering the consequences of teaching vs. not-teaching the new curriculum. The dean told me that they don't want to teach it, but that ultimately they may have to.

 

[chansen]

Carter was grabbing women by the age of 4. He needed the consent part of the curriculum by that point.

Look, this stuff is embarrassing, awkward and messy, but after it's over, you wonder what all the fuss was about. It's the same way with the curriculum.

 

[RitaTG]

Update - So I spoke with my son's school , and they told me that they are still considering the consequences of teaching vs. not-teaching the new curriculum. The dean told me that they don't want to teach it, but that ultimately they may have to.

I hope they make the right decision and teach this curriculum.

 

[Jobam]

Really????!!!!!

 

[chansen]

Actually, lack of sex ed grooms kids for sexual abuse. Titles like this are designed to get stupid people riled up. It's a FOX News style outrage generator.

 

[Jobam]

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...ances-makes-for-historic-day/article23401273/

Alberta has vaulted to the forefront of Canada’s debates on sexuality and gender expression, Premier Jim Prentice said on Tuesday evening after MLAs quickly passed legislation that ended a debate on gay support clubs that roiled the province.

Only minutes after Alberta’s legislature convened for the first time in 2015, Mr. Prentice’s Education Minister announced that the Tory government was reversing its position on gay-straight alliances and would make the clubs mandatory in every school where a student requested one.

 

[Nancy]

As you know, I teach Grades One and Two at the moment (who knows next year???) I admit that I get a little shy/nervous about the idea of teaching the new sex ed curriculum, and I'm sure many of you DON'T want to hear that. But, today, a perfectly comfortable, honest, and open conversation happened with my students about two father families or two mother families, and girls who want to be guys and vice versa (their wording). The students were questioning and wondering about things they heard on tv or heard from other kids. It was such a genuine, uplifting, respectful and caring conversation relating to others, respecting differences and extolling caring above all else. I wasn't one speck shy about engaging in that kind of conversation with my students. And then I told them that sometimes they might hear people say things about such families that is not kind, but I reminded them that right now, they had the best feelings and attitude (non-judgemental), and that I hoped they remembered these feelings no matter what. I don't know if my approach was text-book correct...the conversation came out of the blue and surprised me! but it was very trusting and comfortable. I love my class.

 

[Jaebius]

...And then I told them that sometimes they might hear people say things about such families that is not kind, but I reminded them that right now, they had the best feelings and attitude (non-judgemental), and that I hoped they remembered these feelings no matter what. I don't know if my approach was text-book correct...the conversation came out of the blue and surprised me! but it was very trusting and comfortable. I love my class.

How would you have reacted Nancy if one or more of the children had voiced different feelings or attitude?

 

[chansen]

As you know, I teach Grades One and Two at the moment (who knows next year???) I admit that I get a little shy/nervous about the idea of teaching the new sex ed curriculum, and I'm sure many of you DON'T want to hear that. But, today, a perfectly comfortable, honest, and open conversation happened with my students about two father families or two mother families, and girls who want to be guys and vice versa (their wording). The students were questioning and wondering about things they heard on tv or heard from other kids. It was such a genuine, uplifting, respectful and caring conversation relating to others, respecting differences and extolling caring above all else. I wasn't one speck shy about engaging in that kind of conversation with my students. And then I told them that sometimes they might hear people say things about such families that is not kind, but I reminded them that right now, they had the best feelings and attitude (non-judgemental), and that I hoped they remembered these feelings no matter what. I don't know if my approach was text-book correct...the conversation came out of the blue and surprised me! but it was very trusting and comfortable. I love my class.

I've had similar conversations with my grade 2 daughter, who is equally non-judgmental. It's not as difficult a conversation as people make it out to be.

How would you have reacted Nancy if one or more of the children had voiced different feelings or attitude?

To me, a child who says that having two moms or two dads is wrong, is just like the child who says that someone is "fat", or "stupid", or similar. You let them know that this is not acceptable, and you explain why.

 

[Jaebius]

I've had similar conversations with my grade 2 daughter, who is equally non-judgmental. It's not as difficult a conversation as people make it out to be.


To me, a child who says that having two moms or two dads is wrong, is just like the child who says that someone is "fat", or "stupid", or similar. You let them know that this is not acceptable, and you explain why.

That's certainly a fair way for you to respond as a father chansen. I'm interested in what Nancy's response would be as a teacher in the school system.

 

[chansen]

I would hope it would be fairly similar.

 

[Seeler]

As you know, I teach Grades One and Two at the moment (who knows next year???) I admit that I get a little shy/nervous about the idea of teaching the new sex ed curriculum, and I'm sure many of you DON'T want to hear that. But, today, a perfectly comfortable, honest, and open conversation happened with my students about two father families or two mother families, and girls who want to be guys and vice versa (their wording). The students were questioning and wondering about things they heard on tv or heard from other kids. It was such a genuine, uplifting, respectful and caring conversation relating to others, respecting differences and extolling caring above all else. I wasn't one speck shy about engaging in that kind of conversation with my students. And then I told them that sometimes they might hear people say things about such families that is not kind, but I reminded them that right now, they had the best feelings and attitude (non-judgemental), and that I hoped they remembered these feelings no matter what. I don't know if my approach was text-book correct...the conversation came out of the blue and surprised me! but it was very trusting and comfortable. I love my class.

This is as it should be.

 

[Nancy]

Why would my response as a teacher be different? I would emphasize caring and accepting attitudes while recognizing differences. I do that every day in many ways. I am responsible for letting students know what is acceptable behaviour in our public environment. Prejudice, rude comments are not acceptable. I cannot control what is being said at home; but I can influence. When students voice opinions that I might personally have a hard time with (the no God one comes up a fair bit), I listen respectfully because those students have a right to share their opinions, while also recognizing that others may have different opinions. It does not necessarily need to lead to hatred!

 

[Jaebius]

Why would my response as a teacher be different? I would emphasize caring and accepting attitudes while recognizing differences. I do that every day in many ways. I am responsible for letting students know what is acceptable behaviour in our public environment. Prejudice, rude comments are not acceptable. I cannot control what is being said at home; but I can influence. When students voice opinions that I might personally have a hard time with (the no God one comes up a fair bit), I listen respectfully because those students have a right to share their opinions, while also recognizing that others may have different opinions. It does not necessarily need to lead to hatred!

Thank you Nancy for your carefully written answer. The reason I asked is, you wrote that you told the children whose thinking was along the lines of the new curriculum that their thinking was correct. Logically then, it follows that you would tell a child whose thinking was not as open-minded that they are in the wrong. Correct Nancy?

 

[Seeler]

How would you have reacted Nancy if one or more of the children had voiced different feelings or attitude?

I'm not speaking for Nancy here, but trying to remember what it was like when I was in the classroom. I remember a child of about seven challenging me during a science lesson. I acknowledged his feelings, agreed that some people believed what he had said, and went on with my lesson (I believe we were talking about erosion - how mountains can be worn down and soil washed away - it was a long time ago.) I didn't contradict him or indicate in any way that he was not entitled to his beliefs - but at the same time, I didn't agree with them or support them.

So - I'm trying to imagine the question has come up. Someone mentions a family that has two daddies. Someone else says, 'That's impossible. Everybody has one daddy and one mommy.' Surely in a modern classroom there will be children who are being raised by a single parent. So we talk about different kinds of families. Susie lives one week with Mommy and the next week with Daddy and his girlfriend. David lives with his Dad. Janet is being raised by her grandmother. Andrew knows that he is adopted
'But' the one child insists, 'that's not the way it should be. Everybody has one daddy and one mommy and they all live together.'
"Why? Isn't the important thing that people in the family love each other? Take care of each other? Make your lunch? Comb your hair? Pick you up after school? Take you skiing? or to ballet class?"
The point of my lesson would be that all children deserve loving families, but those families can have different make up and dynamics. Big family or just mommy&me; multi-generational; blended; traditional; and yes, some families have two daddies or two mommys.

Probably that one kid will go home with questions. Let his parents reinforce what they have taught him, or ask questions and think about it. And if they have questions or concerns let them make an appointment to see me to discuss this further.

 

[Luce NDs]

Are closed minds like nuts ... needing a Mrs Hype Revival to get them into a soude-rn cracked phase ... about containment and slavery as accepted oppression ...

One cannot express this with enough humour to off set what' really out there as intelligence from beyond hard points ... tuff abstractions ...