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Some long time friends planned to visit this week. We haven't managed to get together for over a year. Scheduling got very difficult between medical appointments and other planned activities. Time after time a visit got cancelled for some reason or other. So, Wednesday was to be the day. No one was battling illness or recovering from surgery and the temperature looked reasonable. This morning they sent a text- they have Covid for the second time despite being fully vaccinated. Now we hope they recover easily!
 
The virus leads to fixing of the plastic joints ... and eventually all is forced to stop a bit ... scleroderma ... tough hide!

What could the great wealthy 2% have to do with exponential inflation ... when a 2% demands great profits ... guess at the effect across the 98% ... when the 2% doesn't see the need for the lessor portion ... ergonomics? Excitement and rants can de distraction and thus we loose grip ... Sisyphus slider ... dh rump ted?

Do we have need for brighter chites?
 
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New smallish studies out of Harvard and Columbia are suggesting that the older vaccines, eg Delta, work just as well against the new variants as the new bivalent vaccines.
 
Waterfall said:
Basically the vaccines prior to the new bivalent ones...not just Delta...the first vaccines we got.
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The vaccines used in Canada were based on the original variant, while they worked for the other variants, the mRNA sequence in the vaccine was different than Delta's RNA that encodes the spike protein.
 
ChemGal said:
The vaccines used in Canada were based on the original variant, while they worked for the other variants, the mRNA sequence in the vaccine was different than Delta's RNA that encodes the spike protein.
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Here you go:

www.cnn.com

Updated Covid-19 vaccines boost protection, but may not beat original formula against BA.4 and BA.5, early studies suggest | CNN

The updated Covid-19 booster shots appear to work about as well against the BA.4 and BA.5 Omicron subvariants as the original boosters they replaced, according to two new studies from research teams at Harvard and Columbia universities.
www.cnn.com www.cnn.com
 
Waterfall said:
Here you go:

www.cnn.com

Updated Covid-19 vaccines boost protection, but may not beat original formula against BA.4 and BA.5, early studies suggest | CNN

The updated Covid-19 booster shots appear to work about as well against the BA.4 and BA.5 Omicron subvariants as the original boosters they replaced, according to two new studies from research teams at Harvard and Columbia universities.
www.cnn.com www.cnn.com
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Really small studies.
Will see if I can actually access them for free. It's not expected the bulk of antibodies would match what we would already be making. It doesn't mean the minority that come as a response from the newer vaccine don't help though. I would like to see if they looked into those more carefully. Would take more effort to do that.

The real answers come though not from analyzing antibodies and T-cells but from real world outcomes.
 
These things increase survival, so populations can increase faster to grow the market and make more money before the rapture when we all go the martyr way ... and the 2% believe if rich that they will survive in very ugly conditions ...

May it be best to take flight? They tell me I'm using negative feeling for going against the market trends ... the market always being autonomous and sharper ... consider what the market place does to pigs and lambs in matching cultures!

Pyres of Pi guise ... and the fat flows ...
 
Redbaron said:
Yes, there can be a huge difference between ‘data’ and ‘random videos.’ You may remember that lesson from that video of the alleged insurrection that wasn’t an insurrection, in his ‘May 2020’ Insurrection’ thread.
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You were being political here
And using the transitive property
My Meditations are for you. Notice how I hardly ever interfere.
Any thing you think up is your creation. Your doppleganger. You can believe or not as you do.
A big difference between you and me is I don't believe. I have suspicions. And I try to use as many different frames as possible (noting my fav frames).

Now as for the videos, he points to actual data in those videos. He isnt being political as far as I notice? He sees a problem which seems to be real and wonders why? I have seen him give a possible list of causes?
I do not have an agenda.
I do not like simple solutions or worldviews. Nothing ever is. Whenever something is presented as simple, esp by someone or a group with a lot of power I esp watch out.

You, unintentionally have brought USA political polarization here. Please please if you havent already learn a way of meditation? Yoga even can help.

I have family in USA and friends still and am worried about them. It is nearly impossible now to have an ordinary convo. That is not normal. A house divided cannot stand.
And I still believe you are a good person. And I will never other you. Or want you suppressed. Or even use transitive stuff on you.

I will continue to every so often tease and even flirt
As that I still find is a human thing to do :3
 
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ChemGal said:
@BetteTheRed got it right. He isn't an expert in that area and he clearly wasn't using evidence based sources with what I did watch, so why should I continue to use my time listening to him?
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Ok
I need more clarification
Sorry for the time this is taking
But this is something that I think is a kind of trigger?
My new brain has new behaviours etc that I am getting used to

So he seems to use as a resource in the 1st vid "Excess Deaths" JAMA?
Isnt that the American Medical Association? Arent they reputable?

And the 2nd vid he uses telegraph and the guardian who mention two Scottish sports peeps who died
www.telegraph.co.uk

Rab Wardell dies from 'cardiac arrest' two days after winning Scottish mountain bike title, aged 37

Olympic champion Katie Archibald says she tried to revive her partner after his heart stopped while they were lying in bed
www.telegraph.co.uk www.telegraph.co.uk

www.theguardian.com

Mountain bike rider Rab Wardell dies aged 37, days after winning Scottish title

The Scottish mountain bike rider has died at the age of 37, with his partner Katie Archibald claiming he suffered ‘cardiac arrest’ at home
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com



He also sources scottish parliament inquiry into excess deaths

Excess deaths in Scotland since the start of the pandemic inquiry

Share your views on excess deaths in Scotland since the start of the COVID-19 pandemic
www.parliament.scot www.parliament.scot

Which notes deaths are 11% above average
He sources journal articles on cardiac testing in athletes
academic.oup.com

Indications and utility of cardiac genetic testing in athletes

Abstract. Sports Cardiology practice commonly involves the evaluation of athletes for genetically determined cardiac conditions that may predispose to mali
academic.oup.com academic.oup.com
And this study
www.sciencedaily.com

Up to 80% of athletes who die suddenly had no symptoms or family history of heart disease

Recommendations on how to use gene testing to prevent sudden cardiac death in athletes and enable safe exercise have just been published.
www.sciencedaily.com
He sources the National Institute if Health
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Monthly excess mortality across counties in the United States during the Covid-19 pandemic, March 2020 to February 2022

Excess mortality is the difference between expected and observed mortality in a given period and has emerged as a leading measure of the overall impact of the Covid-19 pandemic that is not biased by differences in testing or cause-of-death assignment. ...
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
To look at excess all cause deaths in USA Mar 2020 to Dec 2021
Almost 1 million deaths

Umm
Sources our world in data excess deaths
And so forth

So I am not skilled in this area as you are

But I do not see any problems with it?
I do not see him or hear him saying Why it is happeneing but rather doing a Weather Report of sorts?
Excess deaths. Where. How many. Why?

Do you think Excess Deaths isnt a real thing?
Or that it has been answered?

Please let me know if it is better to just ignore the excess deaths or whatnot?

Lastly you also wrote to me "a video of this has been shared before, full of misinformation..."

I guess one of the things that originally threw me was the usage of that misinformation word, which I have not seen you use? Or very often until the last few years? Wherr did you get that from, do you know?

Whew

Exhausting
 
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Delightful Life said:
Ok
I need more clarification
Sorry for the time this is taking
But this is something that I think is a kind of trigger?
My new brain has new behaviours etc that I am getting used to

So he seems to use as a resource in the 1st vid "Excess Deaths" JAMA?
Isnt that the American Medical Association? Arent they reputable?

And the 2nd vid he uses telegraph and the guardian who mention two Scottish sports peeps who died
www.telegraph.co.uk

Rab Wardell dies from 'cardiac arrest' two days after winning Scottish mountain bike title, aged 37

Olympic champion Katie Archibald says she tried to revive her partner after his heart stopped while they were lying in bed
www.telegraph.co.uk www.telegraph.co.uk

www.theguardian.com

Mountain bike rider Rab Wardell dies aged 37, days after winning Scottish title

The Scottish mountain bike rider has died at the age of 37, with his partner Katie Archibald claiming he suffered ‘cardiac arrest’ at home
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com



He also sources scottish parliament inquiry into excess deaths

Excess deaths in Scotland since the start of the pandemic inquiry

Share your views on excess deaths in Scotland since the start of the COVID-19 pandemic
www.parliament.scot www.parliament.scot

Which notes deaths are 11% above average
He sources journal articles on cardiac testing in athletes
academic.oup.com

Indications and utility of cardiac genetic testing in athletes

Abstract. Sports Cardiology practice commonly involves the evaluation of athletes for genetically determined cardiac conditions that may predispose to mali
academic.oup.com academic.oup.com
And this study
www.sciencedaily.com

Up to 80% of athletes who die suddenly had no symptoms or family history of heart disease

Recommendations on how to use gene testing to prevent sudden cardiac death in athletes and enable safe exercise have just been published.
www.sciencedaily.com
He sources the National Institute if Health
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Monthly excess mortality across counties in the United States during the Covid-19 pandemic, March 2020 to February 2022

Excess mortality is the difference between expected and observed mortality in a given period and has emerged as a leading measure of the overall impact of the Covid-19 pandemic that is not biased by differences in testing or cause-of-death assignment. ...
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
To look at excess all cause deaths in USA Mar 2020 to Dec 2021
Almost 1 million deaths

Umm
Sources our world in data excess deaths
And so forth

So I am not skilled in this area as you are

But I do not see any problems with it?
I do not see him or hear him saying Why it is happeneing but rather doing a Weather Report of sorts?
Excess deaths. Where. How many. Why?

Do you think Excess Deaths isnt a real thing?
Or that it has been answered?

Please let me know if it is better to just ignore the excess deaths or whatnot?

Lastly you also wrote to me "a video of this has been shared before, full of misinformation..."

I guess one of the things that originally threw me was the usage of that misinformation word, which I have not seen you use? Or very often until the last few years? Wherr did you get that from, do you know?

Whew

Exhausting
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I think an increase in deaths is a real thing. I do not think the vaccine is a major contributor.
Some of the data ranges presented are pre-vaccine.
There have been various studies about COVID and increased risks of certain health issues a few months after infection. I think that is likely a factor.
COVID deaths themselves are likely a factor.
And then deaths from other issues that people didn't get screening for, didn't get treatment for, etc. Some because of avoiding healthcare, some because healthcare was too overwhelmed and then there were also things like supply issues of certain medical supplies.

Misinformation is a nicer word than pseudoscience which I have definitely used here before.
 
People considered healthy died of heart attacks before covid too. My nephew, a strong healthy marathoner/Iron Man participant/cyclist/hang glide/ skier died in his 40's during a soccer game. He had just successfully completed a medical exam in order to compete in another Iron Man competition. He was declared healthy, with no underlying conditions.

No Covid infection. No vaccinations to protect from Covid.
 
KayTheCurler said:
People considered healthy died of heart attacks before covid too. My nephew, a strong healthy marathoner/Iron Man participant/cyclist/hang glide/ skier died in his 40's during a soccer game. He had just successfully completed a medical exam in order to compete in another Iron Man competition. He was declared healthy, with no underlying conditions.

No Covid infection. No vaccinations to protect from Covid.
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Yeah I know someone younger than that. Was a jokester so when he just collapsed on a baseball field when not even running people thought it was a prank. He was in his late 20s.

The excess deaths compared to 2019, 2018 does seem to be significant though.
 
What is needed is data including vaccinations and cardiac arrest. One of the vaccines was identified in early 2021 has increasing the risk of cardio myopathy for young males. What is needed is statistical data.

Another factor for excess deaths is the impact isolation has on people and the emotional and physical effects of reduced exercise and reduced time outside.
 
If more people are cooked up in the heat of the night ... will the numbers suggest there will be increasing deaths due or some mysterious order in the populace (sometimes refereed to as paradigm). Relax ... just ... another cooked up word ... derived from original ones as mostly aboriginal and class IHC! IHC being Nordic for sol ... an internalized lite item of concern ...

Is it natural to interfere with the process or jus folk playing god as pros often do ... could they be wrong? One is told not to query ... due to certain insecurities that may create a mood of unsafe pool to be in ... the human one? Best to degrade into microbes and take over the planet like red tide, blue-green algae and other unknown little critters ... sometimes officially labeled Mystery Disease as RA Syndrome ... said to be inadmissible! (because of misunderstanding about the evidence available) In short what we don't know is mass 've ... an aye popper! Jah ... a geist item ... ole 'd ...
 
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A few days ago we learned, while chatting to our daughter, that her FIL had a mild case of Covid, but was still in his LTC room.. Today she phoned to say that he died. She is on her last work day of a cruise and packing to return home.
 
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