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Waterfall said:
As per N95 masks....they're saying they can be worn up to 3 times if they're still in good condition. Not so sure about that, always thought they were to be worn once.
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Previously, they were one use. Multiuse was examined out of necessity. For going out in public multi-use seems reasonable, if following recommendations.
 
Latest messaging seems to be that we need to learn to live with this virus. The chief medical officer of health here in Ontario is even suggesting that citizens have given in to fear over the last two years.

Really???

Haven't the experts been the ones to tell us not to hug our grandchildren???
 
paradox3 said:
Latest messaging seems to be that we need to learn to live with this virus. The chief medical officer of health here in Ontario is even suggesting that citizens have given in to fear over the last two years.

Really???

Haven't the experts been the ones to tell us not to hug our grandchildren???
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I personally think they're sounding nuts. They dont know for sure even if we all should be getting Omicron, A or B.
Do we really know if we should be opening things up again at the end of this month? In my county alone we have 2 hospital outbreaks and 13 nursing/retirement homes with outbreaks...which are the only ones being kept track of. Deaths are still happening.
IMO I think this opening up is premature.
 
paradox3 said:
Latest messaging seems to be that we need to learn to live with this virus. The chief medical officer of health here in Ontario is even suggesting that citizens have given in to fear over the last two years.

Really???

Haven't the experts been the ones to tell us not to hug our grandchildren???
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Yeah irresponsible AF.

I think we are basically going through a phase right now that some were arguing for in 2020 - allowing immunity through most of the population to develop via virus spread and infections.
It is at least tempered by vaccines reducing harm but still there are pretty major issues right now and in terms of flattening the curve when it comes to hospitalizations this is the worst we have done, ICUs it's a tie (for now). I am mostly speaking to ABs stats although I do know other provinces are similar.

I think as the virus has pretty much been allowed to rip though most of the population there is a shift for the future. The way it's being discussed during a crisis which hasn't definitively peaked yet is just making things worse.

What is up to come will determine on what occurs with future variants. If no new variants arise I do think we could move out of emergency measures but for now the crisis needs to be dealt with.
 
Waterfall said:
I personally think they're sounding nuts. They dont know for sure even if we all should be getting Omicron, A or B.
Do we really know if we should be opening things up again at the end of this month? In my county alone we have 2 hospital outbreaks and 13 nursing/retirement homes with outbreaks...which are the only ones being kept track of. Deaths are still happening.
IMO I think this opening up is premature.
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There's also C.
There is essentially a 1.1 1.2 2 and 3 that I am aware of to simplify the real nomenclature. Its 1 (both .1 and .2? Dunno) and 2 that are spreading the most.
 
BetteTheRed said:
And Dr. Tam was all cheerful today, talking about the decrease in infection.

I'm worried that the science is getting buried by the politics.
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Kenney has been so much worse. He is cheerfully talking about the economy and removing the vaccine rules in March while Hinshaw and Yiu are talking about how healthcare is under water.
 
In German news, the opinion is that Omicron cannot be avoided. Opinions differ if it should be tried to slow down the spread or not. Denmark , Spain and Britain are dropping all measures including masking. Denmark at least does have a very high vaccination rate.
A friend of mine who is over 70 and unvaccinated for medical reasons just emailed me that they have Covid symptoms but had three negative Rapid tests, now waiting for a PCR test. The only way of infection he could think of ( they were always very careful) was going on a walk with a friend outside which later developed symptoms and tested positive. At the rate of how infectious this Omicron is, it does seem that it cannot be avoided.
 
Mrs.Anteater said:
In German news, the opinion is that Omicron cannot be avoided. Opinions differ if it should be tried to slow down the spread or not. Denmark , Spain and Britain are dropping all measures including masking. Denmark at least does have a very high vaccination rate.
A friend of mine who is over 70 and unvaccinated for medical reasons just emailed me that they have Covid symptoms but had three negative Rapid tests, now waiting for a PCR test. The only way of infection he could think of ( they were always very careful) was going on a walk with a friend outside which later developed symptoms and tested positive. At the rate of how infectious this Omicron is, it does seem that it cannot be avoided.
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My thoughts on why we should slow it here.
1. Most of those at highest risk do not have boosters yet, only the primary series. Boosters do seem to help
2. Omicron boosters are currently in trials
3. Our COVID drug treatment supply is limited and the pre-hospitalization stuff doesn't have sufficient data to know how to best use it. Paxlovid has very little and we need to figure out who gets the best benefit and when the risks of using it are not worth it. eg. should someone stop a statin to take it? We don't even have a great risk assessment.
4. We cannot keep up with testing, it needs to at least be available to those who are at risk. The province hasn't been able to resupply pharmacies with rapid test kits, PCR testing isn't happening with everyone who really should have it.
5. The thing that has been pointed out all along - healthcare. Remember flatten the curve that was discussed so much early 2020? Vaccines are doing that some, but not enough. We don't have the hospital space, we don't have the ambulances, we don't have the emergency room space, we have students currently doing care in wyas that is atypical, we are shutting down operating rooms to use as care rooms, we have shut down labs, we have changed out-patient clinics to hold admitted patients.
6. Long term effects - we are being way too short sighted, which is partially necessary. Once we determine we can manage acute issues we need to consider long term ones. Like we treat those at risk to prevent hospitals being overwhelmed, ok, great starting place. Are we also able to prevent a large number of people from developing long term issues using both the vaccines and treatments?
 
The enemy is within ... an old saying that outlines the problem with DNA - RNA the source of all spin-off ... and we really do not understand genetics or their androgynous effects ... given their tendency to break up ... food for reorganization ... that'd be a different order than those striving to govern for money and not for people!

In the end who will get us? Well rounded humus ...
 
People have interpreted the "getting omicron is inevitable" and "we need to treat it as the flu" as saying omicron is harmless. As a result there's more people suggesting we need to move on. Dr Henry clarified that while it is highly transmissable and that most of us will be exposed, it is not harmless. She also said it is like a very bad flu and that vulnerable people need to protect themselves. It sounds like some mixed messaging to some degree. It also feels like we who are vulnerable will never be free. I've also wondered about the political vs scientific lately.

Time will tell.
 
Northwind said:
People have interpreted the "getting omicron is inevitable" and "we need to treat it as the flu" as saying omicron is harmless. As a result there's more people suggesting we need to move on. Dr Henry clarified that while it is highly transmissable and that most of us will be exposed, it is not harmless. She also said it is like a very bad flu and that vulnerable people need to protect themselves. It sounds like some mixed messaging to some degree. It also feels like we who are vulnerable will never be free. I've also wondered about the political vs scientific lately.

Time will tell.
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Life is like that ... confused ... while a mass will declare they have it all well composed when they don't ... for we don't know any better the evidence of living in an emotional state ... heaven?
 
Northwind said:
People have interpreted the "getting omicron is inevitable" and "we need to treat it as the flu" as saying omicron is harmless. As a result there's more people suggesting we need to move on. Dr Henry clarified that while it is highly transmissable and that most of us will be exposed, it is not harmless. She also said it is like a very bad flu and that vulnerable people need to protect themselves. It sounds like some mixed messaging to some degree. It also feels like we who are vulnerable will never be free. I've also wondered about the political vs scientific lately.

Time will tell.
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Here's the thing with a bad flu. Normally I can go to my doctor and get tamiflu right away. Does it make a huge difference with feeling crappy at home? No. It tends to cut the duration people stay home sick by about 1 day, which is still fairly significant. It does make a big difference with needing hospital support. It also doesn't cause bronchitis/pneumonia on it's own and I can get antibiotics for secondary infections.
It is also easier to avoid. People working on the same lab would get sick and I would sanitize door handles, the phone, computer keyboards, etc. I would keep a bit of distance. I didn't get sick from them, same thing at parties, a bit of distancing, awareness about touch points and it's possible to not get sick. We see it with flu numbers too, covid preventions meant no seasonal influenza 20/21 season and very low this year.

With covid I can't get meds that easily and that's nothing to do with the rules, relaxing everything wouldn't change that. I think doctors are lost how to determine if there's a secondary infection as a lot of the things we do to decide if antibiotics should be given when sick with the flu we don't know yet for covid.

The 2 are always going to be a bit different as the viruses are different with what they do but ride now the gap is huge with intervention options.
 
Was it @KayTheCurler who said her daughter went to work sick with Covid or was it @BetteTheRed ?
Since my son now also has covid as of today, I was looking up the finances offered. He also has only 2 paid sick days a year and was thinking to use his vacation, but he shouldn’t have to do that.
Here the link which says you can get $500 / week. That’s not great but at least something.

Canada Recovery Sickness Benefit (CRSB) - Canada.ca

The Canada Recovery Sickness Benefit (CRSB) is now closed. Learn about eligibility, past payment dates, verifying eligibility and if you need to repay a CRSB payment.
www.canada.ca www.canada.ca
 
My sister didn't go to work until she had a negative rapid test plus two days. It cost her four full days of work. Which is not minor when you tend to live on the edge of poverty. So she goes back to work first day she can, they drop a double shift on her (and that's a big deal for a bus driver, when everyone's life relies on YOU staying alert), which she works, which results in a pinched nerve in her shoulder (yeah, she's a middle aged woman who has done too many sports in her life, possibly, and is always a very driven (to perfection) worker), so she'll be off at least one day next week until the chiropractor can adjust it tomorrow. I'll remind her about the CRSB benefit.
 
Mrs.Anteater said:
Was it @KayTheCurler who said her daughter went to work sick with Covid or was it @BetteTheRed ?
Since my son now also has covid as of today, I was looking up the finances offered. He also has only 2 paid sick days a year and was thinking to use his vacation, but he shouldn’t have to do that.
Here the link which says you can get $500 / week. That’s not great but at least something.

Canada Recovery Sickness Benefit (CRSB) - Canada.ca

The Canada Recovery Sickness Benefit (CRSB) is now closed. Learn about eligibility, past payment dates, verifying eligibility and if you need to repay a CRSB payment.
www.canada.ca www.canada.ca
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Not me.
$500 a week comes close to the Old Age payment. That, plus the Supplement is approx. $1,300 per month, which accounts for the poverty they experience. Every doesn't qualify for Canada pension, especially not women who spent years raising kids and working on the farm.
 
KayTheCurler said:
Not me.
$500 a week comes close to the Old Age payment. That, plus the Supplement is approx. $1,300 per month, which accounts for the poverty they experience. Every doesn't qualify for Canada pension, especially not women who spent years raising kids and working on the farm.
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Actually, at a second look, it says one has to be sick plus has to be an at risk person, so doesn’t apply to healthy people getting sick.
 
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