Novel Coronavirus

[ChemGal]

I have been trying to convince my son, who has needle phobia. But now, his GF had her second dose and felt bad for 24 hours, she is now saying that she wouldn’t have gotten it if she had known. She still doesn’t feel 100%.
I said- you now have a bit of an idea what it would be like to actually get Covid- just 10 times stronger and for two weeks or for months. She didn’t get it. With her not on the vaccination side, there is no chance that he will be getting a shot. Both of them have no paid sick time. I tried to argue they need to think about how they are going to pay their bills, because they btw. he will be getting it and then likely she will be having to isolate. Thus four weeks of no pay.

I can't understand having that amount of privilege and being that selfish. Not feeling well for 24 hou rs really isn't a big deal.
As for your son has he ever considered getting his phobia treated?

 

[Mrs.Anteater]

As for your son has he ever considered getting his phobia treated?

He is far from accepting the fact.

 

[Waterfall]

I can't understand having that amount of privilege and being that selfish. Not feeling well for 24 hou rs really isn't a big deal.
As for your son has he ever considered getting his phobia treated?

This isn't really anything new with vaccines.....I don't think it's all about being selfish but more about being afraid of the unknowns....and if some of us are being honest with ourselves, it's probably in the back of some peoples minds that have received it too. There are going to be some unknowns with this vaccine, despite the research that has been ongoing with Mrna since the 80's.
I also have a son that refuses to get the vaccine.....he's always been very conscious about what goes into his body, he's not afraid of needles in general and has been vaccinated for other things, but this one he's extremely nervous about the overall effects that seems to outweigh the fear of Covid itself. He will more than likely continue isolation longer than the rest of us and his business allows him to work at home (Web Design) and his wife is a teacher who has been using ZOOM. But I really think accusations of "selfishness" will have no purpose except to get peoples backs up.
I've even sent him things like this but he seems to think the research is still lacking....certainly the outcome is still unfolding:

The long road to mRNA vaccines - CIHR

cihr-irsc.gc.ca

And here is a historical view of how vaccines were viewed historically. Resistance to vaccines is nothing new:

History Shows Americans Have Always Been Wary of Vaccines

Even so, many diseases have been tamed. Will Covid-19 be next?

www.smithsonianmag.com

 

[ChemGal]

This isn't really anything new with vaccines.....I don't think it's all about being selfish but more about being afraid of the unknowns....and if some of us are being honest with ourselves, it's probably in the back of some peoples minds that have received it too. There are going to be some unknowns with this vaccine, despite the research that has been ongoing with Mrna since the 80's.
I also have a son that refuses to get the vaccine.....he's always been very conscious about what goes into his body, he's not afraid of needles in general and has been vaccinated for other things, but this one he's extremely nervous about the overall effects that seems to outweigh the fear of Covid itself. He will more than likely continue isolation longer than the rest of us and his business allows him to work at home (Web Design) and his wife is a teacher who has been using ZOOM. But I really think accusations of "selfishness" will have no purpose except to get peoples backs up.
I've even sent him things like this but he seems to think the research is still lacking....certainly the outcome is still unfolding:

The long road to mRNA vaccines - CIHR

cihr-irsc.gc.ca

And here is a historical view of how vaccines were viewed historically. Resistance to vaccines is nothing new:

History Shows Americans Have Always Been Wary of Vaccines

Even so, many diseases have been tamed. Will Covid-19 be next?

www.smithsonianmag.com

What's the unknown when she said she wouldn't get it in hindsight?

 

[Mendalla]

his business allows him to work at home (Web Design)

Which is great, but we need to get herd immunity for all the people who can't do this. Grocery clerks, healthcare workers, and so on. And he will no doubt be interacting with people at some point, if only you and other family members. Is he going to mask and distance even after the official rules are lifted?

 

[Waterfall]

Which is great, but we need to get herd immunity for all the people who can't do this. Grocery clerks, healthcare workers, and so on. And he will no doubt be interacting with people at some point, if only you and other family members. Is he going to mask and distance even after the official rules are lifted?

Probably, hey I don't agree, but he's 45 now, only so much influence that I have anymore

 

[Waterfall]

What's the unknown when she said she wouldn't get it in hindsight?

Who said that?

 

[ChemGal]

Who said that?

But now, his GF had her second dose and felt bad for 24 hours, she is now saying that she wouldn’t have gotten it if she had known. She still doesn’t feel 100%

It was an in hindsight thing, she felt bad for 24 hours and if she had known that would have happened she wouldn't have gotten it. SELFISH. I don't see anything wrong with calling it that. People are dying of COVID, if feeling a little under the weather for 24 hours can help prevent deaths and someone isn't willing to do that what do you call it?

 

[BetteTheRed]

I think we're looking back at Mrs. A's son's gf's reaction.

 

[Mendalla]

It was an in hindsight thing, she felt bad for 24 hours and if she had known that would have happened she wouldn't have gotten it. SELFISH. I don't see anything wrong with calling it that. People are dying of COVID, if feeling a little under the weather for 24 hours can help prevent deaths and someone isn't willing to do that what do you call it?

Almost everyone I know under 40 has had side effects with their second dose (son, co-workers) and I have never heard anyone say they regretted it.

 

[ChemGal]

Almost everyone I know under 40 has had side effects with their second dose (son, co-workers) and I have never heard anyone say they regretted it.

I had an angioedema attack from the first and I don't regret it. Was actually more manageable than expected.

 

[paradox3]

Almost everyone I know under 40 has had side effects with their second dose (son, co-workers) and I have never heard anyone say they regretted it.

Are side effects are more common in the younger crowd?

 

[Mendalla]

Are side effects are more common in the younger crowd?

Seems like it but that's just anecdotal. Don't know anyone my age who has lost time from work whereas I know several twentysomethings and thirtysomethings who have.

 

[ChemGal]

He is far from accepting the fact.

He doesn't accept the phobia or isn't willing to treat it?
It's something I really wish I had done sooner, and mine was moreso just the physical reaction when it happens. Really minor if fairly healthy - just don't watch when they stick in the needle and I'm fine.
With the IVs I actually did do a few therapy sessions before even starting, and we covered that slightly, but there was the whole HAE diagnosis, all the medical mistakes leading up to that, etc. So it wasn't just focused on the needle part. I didn't get specific therapy until I was already doing subcutaneous injections years later, had I known it would have helped so much it really would have made things easier. It was only when I started freezing up to do the simple subcutaneous injections that made me realize there was obviously something that could be improved upon though. It would have helped too if the clinic would have suggested it to me, but they didn't.

With anyone who has a mild fear with standard needles - bloodwork, vaccines, etc. I would encourage them to deal with that. Because it's way easier to do it earlier rather than when dealing with a serious medical issue. If say someone starts to need infusions - there are many monoclonal antibody infusion treatments now, or insulin, etc. there's typically already a fair bit of stress with being sick, dealing with the diagnosis aspect. It's really not the best time to start trying to manage a phobia on top of it.

 

[ChemGal]

Seems like it but that's just anecdotal. Don't know anyone my age who has lost time from work whereas I know several twentysomethings and thirtysomethings who have.

It's fairly typical with a lot of the vaccines too. As people age, their immune response diminishes.
Should be noted it's the normal immune inflammatory response. We're not talking about serious adverse effects being more common in younger people - which wouldn't surprise me if that happens more often as well although I haven't seen clear data on that.

 

[Mrs.Anteater]

It was an in hindsight thing, she felt bad for 24 hours and if she had known that would have happened she wouldn't have gotten it. SELFISH. I don't see anything wrong with calling it that. People are dying of COVID, if feeling a little under the weather for 24 hours can help prevent deaths and someone isn't willing to do that what do you call it?

I call it immature. She has had a difficult upbringing with no useful parental guidance and has only started to learn to take care of her own health in the last two years, with lots of set backs. She is morbidly obese. She had a broken foot and put weight on it too early which prolonged it several weeks. She is 23- at that age, with her background, judging her might make feel you superior but it does not help her. I am glad that she was able to turn around in her teens and didn’t end up pregnant without education like her sisters. I don’t hold against her that she isn’t perfect yet. In terms of positive influence I noticed that one cannot speed up learning by hammering it in.

 

[paradox3]

With anyone who has a mild fear with standard needles - bloodwork, vaccines, etc. I would encourage them to deal with that. Because it's way easier to do it earlier rather than when dealing with a serious medical issue. If say someone starts to need infusions - there are many monoclonal antibody infusion treatments now, or insulin, etc. there's typically already a fair bit of stress with being sick, dealing with the diagnosis aspect. It's really not the best time to start trying to manage a phobia on top of it.

Hmm. Insulin needles are easy peasy. For me, blood draws at the lab are a different animal, so to speak.

 

[ChemGal]

I call it immature. She has had a difficult upbringing with no useful parental guidance and has only started to learn to take care of her own health in the last two years, with lots of set backs. She is morbidly obese. She had a broken foot and put weight on it too early which prolonged it several weeks. She is 23- at that age, with her background, judging her might make feel you superior but it does not help her. I am glad that she was able to turn around in her teens and didn’t end up pregnant without education like her sisters. I don’t hold against her that she isn’t perfect yet. In terms of positive influence I noticed that one cannot speed up learning by hammering it in.

She did at least get it. I hope too it was more said without a lot of thought behind it like ugh if I knew I would feel this bad I would have skipped it - rather than a serious decision if actively in the position to decide that.

 

[Mrs.Anteater]

She did at least get it. I hope too it was more said without a lot of thought behind it like ugh if I knew I would feel this bad I would have skipped it - rather than a serious decision if actively in the position to decide that.

My son is more rational than her and influences her positively to take care of herself. Yesterday she wanted to play soccer despite a foot injury but ended up not to ( because otherwise she might not have been able to work after).
With kids, they often say stuff and you think they don’t listen to what you are saying- until you notice the
at they actually did what you said and not what they said.

 

[ChemGal]

Hmm. Insulin needles are easy peasy. For me, blood draws at the lab are a different animal, so to speak.

The subcutaneous ones I do are fairly easy too., although they hurt - thick solution and 3-4 mL going in hurts. Plus I do see the whole needle, if I had a pen I don't know if things would be different. Pushing the syringe can be a bit difficult as well, but that's not really where the anxiety kicks in, although it can add to problems if I already hit that feeling lightheaded part.
I also know now the phobia isn't 100% gone. When things change, like being supplied with different needles the anxiety kicks in a bit again right when I use them. With the IVs the physical responses still kick in if it doesn't so perfectly right away. Manageable though and hopefully will continue to get better with time.