Novel Coronavirus

[ChemGal]

Seriously @ChemGal. Do you honestly think that I am frustrated with under 12?

Regarding those for whom doctors feel they should not have any vaccine.... They are not a good chunk of the population, and tend to self isolate anyhow due to immune issues. I sure did when under going chemo

It's a problem when we're dropping all restrictions though. For a while the majority of outbreaks that were listed were from daycares.
I think anything that's essential should have masking as a requirement - with exemptions for those who need it for quite some time yet. Vaccines where less than 80* of the population is eligible isn't a solution on it's own for a virus which is fairly contagious and has recently affected so many people. They are tools which are helpful.

 

[JayneWonders]

I am not sure how my comment that I am tired of the unvacvinayed got you to the post above.

Yes, continue to wear masks in public places, like grocery stores.

Yes, kids are going to get it.

To reduce spread, people need to be vaccinated

Hence my comment. I am getting tired of the umvacvinated

 

[ChemGal]

I am not sure how my comment that I am tired of the unvacvinayed got you to the post above.

Yes, continue to wear masks in public places, like grocery stores.

Yes, kids are going to get it.

To reduce spread, people need to be vaccinated

Hence my comment. I am getting tired of the umvacvinated

With the R value above 1 (which is obvious I think, despite how the government chooses to calculate that now), I don't think it's just those who have chosen to not be vaccinated that's contributing. Even if we were at 98% of the 12+ population fully vaccinated, I think there would still be spread.
Individual choices can help a bit, but we're also dependent on what everyone around us is doing as well. So yes, those who aren't getting vaccinated for silly reasons are a problem. So is the lack of masking. So are the crowded indoor social places. So are the reduced healthcare services, leading to more crowded situations in other healthcare areas.

Over 13% of the COVID deaths this year in province were in people who were at least 2 weeks past their first dose.

 

[ChemGal]

Looking at those who haven't been vaccinated with at least one dose, here, about 2/3 of them are under 12. So the majority of the unvaccinated can't be vaccinated. if looking at those not fully vaccinated, it's about half who are under 12. I know for the over 12s not fully vaccinated yet, access and time is still a big factor.

 

[Mendalla]

I am getting tired of those not vaccinated.

I think the correct phrasing is "those choosing not to get vaccinated" which then avoids Chemgal's concern that you're catching people who cannot or should not get vaccinated in the net. We knew from the start that even once the under-12s are included, we cannot achieve 100%. Chemgal rightly suggests that there are some who are unable to get it for health reasons. So lets be careful with our language and make sure our ire is directed at the ones who are trying to avoid the vaccine rather than those who have to.

And here in Canada, anti-vax nonsense isn't causing nearly the kind of damage it is in the US. Look at Tennessee where health units are now banned from vaccinating in schools or even promoting vaccination in the schools. That's what we really need to be avoiding and worrying about. Not them not getting vaccinated, but them trying to shut down vaccinations on the broader scale so they won't be "singled out".

 

[Northwind]

That info is there. The concern here is there's very few restrictions in place and cases are starting to go up again.
Seems too soon to drop most things done to limit spread.

Alberta has definitely opened too wide. Masks and some limits are still required in other provinces. We'll see how that turns out

 

[Northwind]

I am tired of those who not only are choosing to not get vaccinated, are doing it on faulty information they think is superior to science. Those are not the people who are still taking precautions because they don't believe all this is real. Those are the people that bother me. I can see a child under 12 and can take what precautions I wish. I can't always recognize the anti-vaxxer to protect myself.

 

[BetteTheRed]

I can't always recognize the anti-vaxxer to protect myself.

Agreed, but a lack of mask and social distancing is often a 'coincident' clue. When people "go stupid", they tend to do it in spades.

 

[ChemGal]

I am tired of those who not only are choosing to not get vaccinated, are doing it on faulty information they think is superior to science. Those are not the people who are still taking precautions because they don't believe all this is real. Those are the people that bother me. I can see a child under 12 and can take what precautions I wish. I can't always recognize the anti-vaxxer to protect myself.

Plus the AB government seems to be encouraging people to drop many precautions. Aka Kenney speaking out on municipalities bylaws.

 

[Northwind]

Plus the AB government seems to be encouraging people to drop many precautions. Aka Kenney speaking out on municipalities bylaws.

We were relieved to see most people in southern AB where we went were still wearing masks or at least were mindful. We had planned to shop for shoes in AB and decided against it.

 

[Mrs.Anteater]

I have been trying to convince my son, who has needle phobia. But now, his GF had her second dose and felt bad for 24 hours, she is now saying that she wouldn’t have gotten it if she had known. She still doesn’t feel 100%.
I said- you now have a bit of an idea what it would be like to actually get Covid- just 10 times stronger and for two weeks or for months. She didn’t get it. With her not on the vaccination side, there is no chance that he will be getting a shot. Both of them have no paid sick time. I tried to argue they need to think about how they are going to pay their bills, because they btw. he will be getting it and then likely she will be having to isolate. Thus four weeks of no pay.

 

[Mrs.Anteater]

My colleague said she heard something about a vaccine they are developing in Canada that will be a tab to dissolve in your mouth- did anybody else hear that or is that a scam?

 

[Redbaron]

It might be real. I remember in my early years getting a vaccine (polio?) in a sugar cube rather than a needle.

 

[Mrs.Anteater]

It might be real. I remember in my early years getting a vaccine (polio?) in a sugar cube rather than a needle.

Yes, I did, too. But wasn’t the problem with the MRNA that it had to be kept cool.

 

[BetteTheRed]

No, it was the AZ. Moderna and Pfizer are the mRNA I think. *scurries to confirm*

 

[BetteTheRed]

There's oral flu vaccines, too, right?

 

[BetteTheRed]

I've just started thinking about this harder. Do you think that a stronger push for the development of oral vaccines would, to a certain extent, minimize anti-vaxxers, because then you don't have the needle-phobia thing. Personally, in addition to regular vaccinations (my parents were modern, post WW2 humans), I had allergy shots, off and on, for many, many years. And I've always had prompt dental work, so lots more needles. So no needle phobia, because pointless... However, I have friends who don't like needles who are more naturally inclined to be anti-vaxx.

 

[Redbaron]

For some antivaxers, the issue is the vaccine itself, not the delivery. Though it's sort of hard to imagine Bill Gates leaving messages in a sugar cube....

 

[ChemGal]

I'm fairly certain the polio vaccine is a live vaccine. I haven't heard of an oral flu vaccine, there's flumist which is a nasal spray, again a live vaccine.
There could be an oral vaccine being developed for COVID but there's lits being looked into, it doesn't mean it's far in the approval process or that Health Canada will approve it. I really wouldn't recommend holding out for that unless it's already at the stage where it's being reviewed. I can't imagine an mRNA vaccine working orally, stomach acid destroys a lot of substances and mRNA will degrade readily without acid there are RNAses EVERYWHERE. It's part of the reason for the lipid delivery system, plus that helps to get it into cells.

 

[ChemGal]

I've just started thinking about this harder. Do you think that a stronger push for the development of oral vaccines would, to a certain extent, minimize anti-vaxxers, because then you don't have the needle-phobia thing. Personally, in addition to regular vaccinations (my parents were modern, post WW2 humans), I had allergy shots, off and on, for many, many years. And I've always had prompt dental work, so lots more needles. So no needle phobia, because pointless... However, I have friends who don't like needles who are more naturally inclined to be anti-vaxx.

Not if they are live vaccines. The 'shedding' myth actually is real. With how I reacted to the flu vaccine not a clue if it was the virus itself that triggered the neurological symptoms or something else in the vaccine (or the vaccine was coincidental but there was other immune system changes so then I would say it was a contagious illness that triggered my immune system to respond oddly). To play it safe and with advice from a doctor and pharmacist Chemguy would stick with the non-live flu vaccines, even if flumist were more effective (which it isn't, it's less effective). There's a small risk the virus from the flumist he would get could trigger the same issue again in me.