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ChemGal said:
www.theglobeandmail.com

New study casts doubt on time between COVID-19 vaccine doses

Canadian research finds elderly people have lower antibody response after first dose of Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine
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I find some of the comments in here are difficult to support. The 4 months decision was made with no data on the 2nd dose being extendedthat far with Covid vaccines, we still don't have it from what I've seen. There is data on a single dose and how that effects populations differently but we shouldn't make decisions on that?
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A friend of mine is a physician who is current on research and far more knowledgeable than I in this type of thing. He pointed out a couple flaws in this study, one being that they only measured at 28 days. He stated evidence is showing growth in immunity up to at least 42 days. He apparently is discussing this with the author of the study. I posted this on my FB feed and his comments are there.

Someone asked Dr Henry about this at yesterday's briefing. Her answer included the statement that they are following the research and will modify the schedule if necessary. I was glad this was addressed.
 
Northwind said:
A friend of mine is a physician who is current on research and far more knowledgeable than I in this type of thing. He pointed out a couple flaws in this study, one being that they only measured at 28 days. He stated evidence is showing growth in immunity up to at least 42 days. He apparently is discussing this with the author of the study. I posted this on my FB feed and his comments are there.

Someone asked Dr Henry about this at yesterday's briefing. Her answer included the statement that they are following the research and will modify the schedule if necessary. I was glad this was addressed.
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I expect things will change based on what's learned.
I just find it very odd that when the decision for the current 4 month dosing schedule isn't based on data is seen to be fine, but when there is some evidence to suggest some populations might not be well protested there's commentary that we shouldn't act on that.
 
ChemGal said:
I expect things will change based on what's learned.
I just find it very odd that when the decision for the current 4 month dosing schedule isn't based on data is seen to be fine, but when there is some evidence to suggest some populations might not be well protested there's commentary that we shouldn't act on that.
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Be patient ... act on nothing ... there will be more to come ... including lies as well laid out! We yet ... know so little of what powers do with the freedom of everything ... inclusive of corruption! Just thought ...
 
Luce NDs said:
Be patient ... act on nothing ... there will be more to come ... including lies as well laid out! We yet ... know so little of what powers do with the freedom of everything ... inclusive of corruption! Just thought ...
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I'm not that cynical. I think most are trying their best and I think better info will be coming. I wish there was better forethought and collaboration though. If policy makers had explained they wanted to do as many people as possible first and get the efficacy up after, the clinical trails could have gears more that way from the beginning.
 
I think the only reason they are suggesting four months between doses is because they don’t have enough vaccines and won’t for months.

our newsletter from our Florida golf course lists places to get vaccines this week but is very specific that you must also be available in 28 days for your second dose

i find it very frustrating. but at the same time I want as many people to get started on their vaccines and if we don’t have supply because of incompetence we have to move ahead with that and do the best we can. No other countries , that I have read about, are doing this four months between doses as there is no data to support it.
 
If you are the right age, now I think it’s over 60 in Ontario and feel like a drive to Toronto, message me. I have the number of a drug store that seems to have lots of doses
 
Just watching the news and they mentioned we are 41st in the world for vaccinations.

we are losing the race against the variants
 
I'm signed up with Shopper's Drug Mart for when doses become available here. And no, I'm not risking Toronto, for a shot. It seems counter-intuitive to me...
 
Lastpointe said:
I think the only reason they are suggesting four months between doses is because they don’t have enough vaccines and won’t for months.

our newsletter from our Florida golf course lists places to get vaccines this week but is very specific that you must also be available in 28 days for your second dose

i find it very frustrating. but at the same time I want as many people to get started on their vaccines and if we don’t have supply because of incompetence we have to move ahead with that and do the best we can. No other countries , that I have read about, are doing this four months between doses as there is no data to support it.
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Oh absolutely. This was a known thing though that the world would want to get as many people vaccinated as quickly as possible. Drug companies and policymakers should have been working together better a year ago (and earlier, pandemic planning is not just for when it hits).
 
Mrs.Anteater said:
I couldn’t find the conspiracy thread, but CBC Marketplace had an interesting report on how people make money with conspiracy boot camps.
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I saw that ... the implications prone to going either way in the plots evolving ... reminds me of Montaigne on urges to teach vs that to keep in the dark! Getting into the unknown is scary to the populace by conditioning ...
 
In Toronto it seems its easier to get the vaccine if you live in an affluent predominately white neighbourhood . Lowest covid neighbourhoods (the Beach, Lawrence Park, Runnymede, Mount Pleasant, Bloor West Village, Rosedale) have twelve pharmacies offering the vaccine. The top five neighbourhoods for covid infections - (9000 cases per 100,000 people) in northwest Toronto - have ZERO pharmacies offering the vaccine. The Government of Ontario has made some horrible decisions.
 
Inukshuk said:
In Toronto it seems its easier to get the vaccine if you live in an affluent predominately white neighbourhood . Lowest covid neighbourhoods (the Beach, Lawrence Park, Runnymede, Mount Pleasant, Bloor West Village, Rosedale) have twelve pharmacies offering the vaccine. The top five neighbourhoods for covid infections - (9000 cases per 100,000 people) in northwest Toronto - have ZERO pharmacies offering the vaccine. The Government of Ontario has made some horrible decisions.
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Or could that have to do with fewer pharmacies and the set up of the store? Vaccination clinics would need a space for people to line up, a space to space out people and a space to wait for 15 minutes. I would think it needs a certain size and layout of a store.?
 
As an essential caregiver to my parents (in their 90s, living in assisted living) I received the two doses of the Moderna vaccine in February/March. I have never even opted for the flu vaccine - this one I didn't think twice about it before rolling up my sleeve. So thankful - as my daughter recently got covid - probable asymptomatic transmission through her daughter's school. She is the main caregiver for her two children (6 and 4) and was really sick for two weeks. I shudder when I think about what we would have done if I had not been able to go in to her home to care for her and my grandkids.
 
Mrs.Anteater said:
Or could that have to do with fewer pharmacies and the set up of the store? Vaccination clinics would need a space for people to line up, a space to space out people and a space to wait for 15 minutes. I would think it needs a certain size and layout of a store.?
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That would be a good question for the Gov of Ontario. Many pharmacies in northwest Toronto have the space, staff and certification to participate in vaccine administration.
 
I think the demographics in Toronto is as much to do with who is able to work at home and who isn’t. And that goes for everywhere. Work from home, less chance of catching it. Work in the front lines in grocery stores or manufacturing, more chance

interestingly, my daughter now goes to her office one day a week. Very few people working in offices but lots of traffic. Because everyone is driving so they don’t have to be in close quarters on buses and subways

and Bette, we drove to Toronto. Straight to BCE place, straight to the drug store, straight out. We were inside 25 minutes top. Saw no one other than the pharmacist and two other people who had just gotten their vaccines. Appointments 15 minutes apart so you see one or two other people. It was pretty simple
 
Is Ontario using its AZ vaccine supply by sending it to the pharmacies? I've seen that people my age and slightly younger have gotten the vaccine there. I'm still waiting for my letter proving I'm in the clinically vulnerable category here and that is supposed to move me up the line a bit.
 
Northwind said:
Is Ontario using its AZ vaccine supply by sending it to the pharmacies? I've seen that people my age and slightly younger have gotten the vaccine there. I'm still waiting for my letter proving I'm in the clinically vulnerable category here and that is supposed to move me up the line a bit.
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Yes - and those vaccines expire on April 2nd
 
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