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Mendalla said:
Correction: 700 is the provincial number (but you're right that it is a record). 344 were in Toronto proper, with another 182 in the GTA (Peel, Durham, York, Halton).

London had 8, which brings us to a three day total of 25.
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Sorry. Didn't meant to be alarmist and sorry for missing that.
 
Northwind said:
I said that in response to your assertion that the pandemic is over. Have you happened to notice how many new cases there are in Ontario and Quebec lately? Or are you of the belief that it's all fake news designed to scare and control us?
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If you follow my posts at all you would know by now that I’m constantly going on about how the number of COVID-19 cases is not a very useful indicator of anything.

The fact that increased testing means we are recording more young and healthy people with COVID-19 should not be surprising or alarming in the slightest.

The hospitals are under financial pressure from having to mostly stop doing business for months, so they are testing and classifying as many people as possible as a COVID case even if admitted for something other than covid symptoms in order to gain the subsidy offered by the federal governments.

Somehow, this is being spun as some kind of disaster that once again requires 'shut downs' (though doing so will accomplish nothing).
 
Calgary is postponing surgeries. Last week we were told we're not experiencing a 2nd wave right now. If keeping the healthcare system functioning well is the goal I think when 130 some staff are isolating can't recall if that number referred to just nurses or not and there's an outbreak of 53 in 1 hospital it's time to do more for the healthcare system. I'm also concerned long term and what the extra strain of people with long term effects will do to the system.
 
Of and as for now healthcare system isn't managing well in facilities without covid. I keep asking about when to order blood products and if I should give more notice. I keep being informed no order when you have 2 weeks left. Right now I'm stretching out my doses because estimated pickup date is Thursday. I ordered on a Wednesday over 2 weeks ago.
 
I was reading comments for an article from The Star. A few were trying to promote the idea that the hospitals are "empty". I sure would like to know which ones. Where I am -- up to 14 hour wait to see a doctor in emerg. I joke about diy medicine, but it isn't far from the truth. People remain untreated too often knowing it's futile to go to emerg. No doctors either.
 
ninjafaery said:
I was reading comments for an article from The Star. A few were trying to promote the idea that the hospitals are "empty". I sure would like to know which ones. Where I am -- up to 14 hour wait to see a doctor in emerg. I joke about diy medicine, but it isn't far from the truth. People remain untreated too often knowing it's futile to go to emerg. No doctors either.
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In March, I noticed that. In June, not empty, but quiet. In August long line up to just enter into the hospital, lots of people in the lab area (which is also a waiting room for some other diagnostic procedures, but that's always a small portion even before all of this). Emergency wait times here currently range from 1hr 15 min to 5 hr 27min according to the info online and it tends to get worse after business hours.
 
Ritafee said:
If you follow my posts at all you would know by now that I’m constantly going on about how the number of COVID-19 cases is not a very useful indicator of anything.

The fact that increased testing means we are recording more young and healthy people with COVID-19 should not be surprising or alarming in the slightest.

The hospitals are under financial pressure from having to mostly stop doing business for months, so they are testing and classifying as many people as possible as a COVID case even if admitted for something other than covid symptoms in order to gain the subsidy offered by the federal governments.

Somehow, this is being spun as some kind of disaster that once again requires 'shut downs' (though doing so will accomplish nothing).
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i would like to see some proof to this idea that hospitals are colluding to state they have Covid cases. My four family members working in four different hospitals are not reporting this at all

and your comment about more testing equals more cases makes you sound like Donald the moron in chief

people get tested because they are either sick or in contact with someone who is sick

if they are healthy and get tested anyway they will not add to the total cases


you feel it is over hyped concern. Most people are aware of trying to limit disease in a diseas that we dont have treatment for
 
the number of cases are based on the number of people who have tested positive. If you want to scare more people you test more people.
This is not the most dangerous disease, but it is being treated that way. You have thousands of times better chance of getting a hole in one than dying of covid-19 84.
 
Mendalla said:
With the record new cases in Ontario (700 in the past 24 hours), Doug Ford has said that we are entering a second wave. Kenney needs to get with the program.
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It's Hinshaw who's giving the message, although who knows what she really thinks, I do think Kenney and Shandro (who started off the update today, while Hinshaw worked form home) are calling the shots. The reasoning is cases aren't spiking, we have a consistent level of new cases each day, leading to a gradual increase, but it's not really going exponentially.
 
Lastpointe said:
My four family members working in four different hospitals are not reporting this at all
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Physician billing codes in response to COVID-19

Virtual care services account for most new provincial and territorial physician billing codes created in response to the COVID-19 pandemic
July 3, 2020 — In response to the COVID-19 pandemic, provincial and territorial governments and medical associations moved rapidly to adapt the physician fee schedules to meet the emerging needs of physicians and their patients during the crisis, especially for virtual care services.
CIHI has monitored changes to the fee schedules, which include new billing codes, modified fees, updated practice guidelines designed to support public health measures, income stabilization and several other modifications. Each jurisdiction in Canada has implemented some of these changes, and many similarities exist from one jurisdiction to the next.
In most cases, the codes are temporary and will exist for the duration of the pandemic. The exception is Alberta, which recently announced that the COVID-19 codes will be a permanent feature of its fee schedule. CIHI will continue to monitor the fee schedules on a monthly basis and will update the information in the table as it changes.
 
Lastpointe said:
Testing does not cause cases. Disease causes cases

testing allows people to know who is ill and should be isolated

if we didn’t test people would be sick. They would infect others and more would get sick

lets not use Trump plan for health care
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We know that. But the numbers are only a representation based on completed testing.

if you tested the entire population once a week, the numbers would mean something.

But the way it is, if you need a spike to justify taking away people’s rights, you just increase the testing and a spike appears.

This is coming:
 
But you know why the death rate is flat? Most new cases are in young people. If LTC homes let down their guard and cases start to go up there, that's when you'll see a spike in deaths. I'm just waiting for all of these kiddies in school to start spreading it to grandpa and grandma.

The whole problem with "managing" a pandemic is that if you do it right, people get upset because there weren't more deaths, and they don't see the underlying "prevention".
 
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