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Does rebuffing allow return of the shining irregularities ... para modes?

Cometh the lightening brig-aid? ... pyre ships! Colon eye zation ...
 
Northwind said:
I thought you were smarter than this. :unsure: Many if not most of those "94%" would still be living with their coexisting conditions. Their deaths are as much from covid as the 6%
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The converse argument can also be made ...
Had it not been for them having one or more serious comorbidities, the risk of the virus to these individuals would have been minuscule, and if they got sick at all, they’d probably have survived. So, ultimately, should the virus bear the brunt of the blame?
 
Ritafee said:
The converse argument can also be made ...
Had it not been for them having one or more serious comorbidities, the risk of the virus to these individuals would have been minuscule, and if they got sick at all, they’d probably have survived. So, ultimately, should the virus bear the brunt of the blame?
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You blame people for having comorbidities? That's really f'd up. The nazis hated people who were already 'defective' too. And if this is who you are ultimately being fed information from - the far right - keep in mind there are no guarantees that you would be acceptable to them. Right now maybe you're just useful for spreading ideas like "it was their fault for having comorbitities." and other dangerous ideas.

If this is how you really feel I know not to trust you in any further serious discussion. If you argued that point without thinking of the broader implications - I can forgive you.
 
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Kimmio Laughterlove said:
You blame people for having comorbidities? That's really f'd up. The nazis did that.
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How you twist words is f'd up. People with comorbidities are susceptible to complications from other dis-eases ... they were before the novel corona and they will be after the new threat to their overall well being is old news. Did you take precautions on your own behalf of your own free will before this 'casedemic' or did you expect that the rest of the world should compromise their own health to protect yours.

What the nazis did is what you are advocating for now ... medical experimentation on masses of people without their consent.
 
I have a mobility disability. I can't get out of most people's way as fast as they can get out of mine. And that's about the only "comorbidity" I have that I know about for sure at the moment. Allergies. I get hay fever once in awhile. I have had mild asthma symptoms in the past. Though I'm slightly overweight at my age and activity level. I'm not obese. But there are other issues that make covid more problematic. If the hospitals fill up with covid cases there might not be room for me if I have a serious injury.

Nobody knows for sure how sick they will get if they catch it. That needs to be stressed.

And with that, I won't be responding to you anymore, Rita. If you or anyone in your family gets this and gets really sick I'm 1000% sure you will change your tune, be in favour of masks and social distancing - or you'll blame not yourself for not mask wearing but you'll find a way to blame Fauci or something ridiculous.

How can you be for the greater good when you only look out for yourself?
 
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Kimmio Laughterlove said:
And if this is who you are ultimately being fed information from - the far right - keep in mind there are no guarantees that you would be acceptable to them.
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This is another thing that you do that the nazis did ... put human beings into camps of right is wrong.
Kimmio Laughterlove said:
If the hospitals fill up with covid cases there might not be room for me if I have a serious injury.
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But that is not bearing out is it ... are the hospitals filling up with covid cases?
 
Kimmio Laughterlove said:
Right now maybe you're just useful for spreading ideas like "it was their fault for having comorbitities." and other dangerous ideas.
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Like the dangerous assumption that myself my children and my grandchildren are dangerous vectors of disease and we should be ostracized from the public square for the common good.
 
In my sermon prep this week I am wondering...
Is some of the resistance and skepticism we are seeing partly a product of unnamed grief and anxiety and people processing the traumatic impact of this event?
 
Kimmio Laughterlove said:
Rita. If you or anyone in your family gets this and gets really sick I'm 1000% sure you will change your tune, be in favour of masks and social distancing - or you'll blame not yourself for not mask wearing but you'll find a way to blame Fauci or something ridiculous.
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You are really hoping that myself or someone in my family gets really sick so that you can be %1000 percent sure of your blind adherence to fascism ... I forgive you.

An excellent quote by Cato the Elder: “Those who are serious in ridiculous matters will be ridiculous in serious matters.” One of the first points he makes is that fascism is attractive because:
“… it requires so little from us, so little independent thought; just our basic belief and adherence to a limited set of popularly-shared directives and narratives that once fully accepted, relieve us of the need to address stubborn questions or to fret over subtle differences of opinion and feeling.
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Propaganda reassures us that we are complete, that we know all there is to know, that we are rational, pragmatic and pure, that the science has been settled and that we are a part of something special.”
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I am puzzled by your objections Rita

you are objecting to being asked to wear masks in public buildings
and objecting to being told Covid is a danger?
and objecting to what else exactly
 
GordW said:
In my sermon prep this week I am wondering...
Is some of the resistance and skepticism we are seeing partly a product of unnamed grief and anxiety and people processing the traumatic impact of this event?
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Christ set us free in order that we should be free?

Freedom requires resistance against a return to bondage?

Stand firm against anyone who would try to drag us into slavery under the law?

Some observations by British Supreme Court judge Lord Sumption, who in a March 30, 2020, interview with The Post warned that COVID-19 rules are paving the way for despotism — the exercise of absolute power in a cruel and oppressive manner.
“The real problem is that when human societies lose their freedom, it’s not usually because tyrants have taken it away. It’s usually because people willingly surrender their freedom in return for protection against some external threat. And the threat is usually a real threat but usually exaggerated.
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That’s what I fear we are seeing now. The pressure on politicians has come from the public. They want action. They don’t pause to ask whether the action will work. They don’t ask themselves whether the cost will be worth paying. They want action anyway. And anyone who has studied history will recognize here the classic symptoms of collective hysteria.
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Hysteria is infectious. We are working ourselves up into a lather in which we exaggerate the threat and stop asking ourselves whether the cure may be worse than the disease.”
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It is time to ask ourselves some very pressing questions.

Is it reasonable to expect government to eliminate ALL infection and ALL death?

They’ve proven they cannot, yet we keep relinquishing more and more freedoms and liberties because they claim doing so will keep everyone safer.

It’s an enticing lie, but a lie nonetheless.


Remember, they sold us on the business shutdowns and home quarantining by saying we just need to flatten the curve of infection to avoid hospital overcrowding.

Now the curve is in a visible nosedive and hospitals are far from overcrowded with COVID-19 patients, yet lockdowns remain in many areas and some ... Australia being a prime example ... have reached astonishing new heights.

Liberty or false security?

The good news is that many are in fact starting to see the writing on the wall; they’re starting to see we’ve been 'had' and are starting to choose liberty over brutal totalitarianism in the name of nothing short of 'Virus Idolatry'.

Jesus Wept.
 
Lastpointe said:
I am puzzled by your objections Rita

you are objecting to being asked to wear masks in public buildings
and objecting to being told Covid is a danger?
and objecting to what else exactly
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You are misrepresenting my objections ... I trust that is not intentional.

I am not objecting to being asked to wear a mask. I am objecting to being mandated with threat of punitive force against those who choose for many rational reasons not to comply.

I am not objecting to being told Covid is a danger ... I am objecting to the villifying of individuals that assess the risk as less than necessary to curtail the freedom to thrive for those 99% that are at minimal risk who would better be able to serve those at risk by taking care of them as opposed to alienating them.

I am objecting to mandatory compliance with a protocol that is restricting human beings ability to act humanely.
 
Ritafee said:
Is it reasonable to expect government to eliminate ALL infection and ALL death?
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That is not the goal, at least in this province. The goal is to figure out how to live with it until we learn more. Some of that learning may only be learning how to treat people who get sick. Eliminating the infection and death is neither on the radar nor realistic.
 
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